Its weird that, even though I don't see in my dreams I sort of always somehow know what's going on. Like I once had a dream where someone was chasing after me with a knife. I don't know how I knew he had one. Another awful experience is, I don't know if anyone has had these, but you dream that you're awake and then you don't know if you're awake or not, what I mean is, you dream that you're doing what you normally do when you wake up, that's very scarey. On 2/25/14, Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > interesting point, here is another one to get your brains around, the > nature of perceived reality. suppose you are asleep and you "wake up" > fully conscious in a dream. for that time frame the dream would be as > real as the world we perceive in our waking state. , the only difference > being that the laws of physics as we known them in our waking state > would not apply.. this leads me to the question is reality a function of > perception and if so, it then follows that if we are able to shift our > level of consciousness we can perceive different realities. taking it a > step further, which is the true reality, that which we perceive in our > waking state, that which accurs in our sleeping state(of which we are > not ordinarily conscious) or both? we cannot normally remember our > dreams in the waking world and we cannot "remember" our waking life when > in the dream environment. > On 25/02/2014 00:39, Angel wrote: >> I discussed the idea about totally blind people seeing in their dreams >> with an ophthalmologist, who asked me that question. When he >> determined no light was received by my brain. He said, if a person >> ever saw at all. Even if he lost his sight at a few months of age, he >> would see in his dreams. But, a person who never at all saw light or >> anything else for that matter, would not see in his dreams. My >> question would be: If a totally blind person never saw at all at any >> time in his life, how would he know he saw. Not having anything to >> compare sight or its lack to. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Damoulakis" >> <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:58 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for group >> >> >>> Look I have just come very lately to the party on this because before >>> I was extremely sceptical from reading people like Richard Dawkins and >>> James Randi etc, but then I read a book by Pim Van Lommel who I >>> thought the points he made about consciousness seemed to me to refute >>> what the skeptics were saying. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was >>> one of the most interesting books I've ever read, particularly the >>> weird fact that most people they've studied who have actually >>> experienced an NDE then leave all organised religions, you would have >>> expected the converse maybe? The thing that really got me though is he >>> talked about a research study that was done by a guy on NDES that >>> happened to totally blind people, and 3 of them who had been blind >>> since birth apparently claimed to have been able to experience the >>> phenomenon of sight when they left their bodies during the NDES. The >>> rejections to that that some skeptics made were that blind people also >>> see in their dreams but I for example have never been able to do that, >>> I think people who are blind since birth don't see in their dreams? >>> And there's also the whole thing about whether the blind can >>> experience ghosts and things that sighted people claim. I don't know, >>> I just wondered about this and hope there is a group or, even if there >>> isn't a actual group for the blind, whether there are blind people on >>> normal groups who've experienced these, and a discussion group for the >>> blind on these phenomena would be very interesting, since most blind >>> groups I find are just mainstream religion ones. >>> >>> On 2/24/14, Debby McCallan <debramccallan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Me too. >>>> Debs >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Shaun O'Connor" <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:36 PM >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for group >>>> >>>> >>>>> Whilst i do no know of any groups that cater for that interest >>>>> among the >>>>> blind community, it is an area of interest that also have. >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> On 24/02/2014 18:47, Ari Damoulakis wrote: >>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>> If there isn't a blind one, then a good mainstream one will be OK, >>>>>> but >>>>>> is there by any chance a list where blind people discuss the >>>>>> paranormal, particularly things like NDE's, OBE's psychic abilities, >>>>>> ESP etc. I'm not talking about religion or religious lists. 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