[access-uk] Re: Looking for group

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:42:03 +0000

The experience described is often called false awakening whereby the
mind constructs a picture or scenario that you normally carry out in day
to day life so intensely that  for all intents and purposes. you are
"awake".
On 25/02/2014 06:55, Ari Damoulakis wrote:
> Its weird that, even though I don't see in my dreams I sort of always
> somehow know what's going on. Like I once had a dream where someone
> was chasing after me with a knife. I don't know how I knew he had one.
> Another awful experience is, I don't know if anyone has had these, but
> you dream that you're awake and then you don't know if you're awake or
> not, what I mean is, you dream that you're doing what you normally do
> when you wake up, that's very scarey.
>
> On 2/25/14, Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> interesting point,  here is  another one to get your brains around, the
>> nature of perceived reality. suppose you are asleep and you "wake up"
>> fully conscious in a dream. for that time frame the dream would be as
>> real as the world we perceive in our waking state. , the only difference
>> being that the laws of physics as we known them in our waking state
>> would not apply.. this leads me to the question is reality a function of
>> perception and if so, it then follows that if we are able to shift our
>> level of consciousness we can perceive different realities. taking it a
>> step further, which is the true reality, that which we perceive in our
>> waking state, that which accurs in our sleeping state(of which we are
>> not ordinarily conscious) or both? we cannot normally remember our
>> dreams in the waking world and we cannot "remember" our waking life when
>> in the dream environment.
>> On 25/02/2014 00:39, Angel wrote:
>>> I discussed the idea about totally blind people seeing in their dreams
>>> with an ophthalmologist, who asked me that question.  When he
>>> determined no light was received by my brain.  He said, if a person
>>> ever saw at all.  Even if he lost his sight at a few months of age, he
>>> would see in his dreams.  But, a person who never at all saw light or
>>> anything else for that matter, would not see in his dreams.  My
>>> question would be:  If a totally blind person never saw at all at any
>>> time in his life, how would he know he saw. Not having anything to
>>> compare sight or its lack to.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Damoulakis"
>>> <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:58 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for group
>>>
>>>
>>>> Look I have just come very lately to the party on this because before
>>>> I was extremely sceptical from reading people like Richard Dawkins and
>>>> James Randi etc, but then I read a book by Pim Van Lommel who I
>>>> thought the points he made about consciousness seemed to me to refute
>>>> what the skeptics were saying. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was
>>>> one of the most interesting books I've ever read, particularly the
>>>> weird fact that most people they've studied who have actually
>>>> experienced an NDE then leave all organised religions, you would have
>>>> expected the converse maybe? The thing that really got me though is he
>>>> talked about a research study that was done by a guy on NDES that
>>>> happened to totally blind people, and 3 of them who had been blind
>>>> since birth apparently claimed to have been able to experience the
>>>> phenomenon of sight when they left their bodies during the NDES. The
>>>> rejections to that that some skeptics made were that blind people also
>>>> see in their dreams but I for example have never been able to do that,
>>>> I think people who are blind since birth don't see in their dreams?
>>>> And there's also the whole thing about whether the blind can
>>>> experience ghosts and things that sighted people claim. I don't know,
>>>> I just wondered about this and hope there is a group or, even if there
>>>> isn't a actual group for the blind, whether there are blind people on
>>>> normal groups who've experienced these, and a discussion group for the
>>>> blind on these phenomena would be very interesting, since most blind
>>>> groups I find are just mainstream religion ones.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/24/14, Debby McCallan <debramccallan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Me too.
>>>>> Debs
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Shaun O'Connor" <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for group
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whilst i do no know of any groups that cater for that interest
>>>>>> among the
>>>>>> blind community, it is an area of interest that also have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>> On 24/02/2014 18:47, Ari Damoulakis wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>> If there isn't a blind one, then a good mainstream one will be OK,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> is there by any chance a list where blind people discuss the
>>>>>>> paranormal, particularly things like NDE's, OBE's psychic abilities,
>>>>>>> ESP etc. I'm not talking about religion or religious lists. I don't
>>>>>>> know if we in the blind community have many experiences of such
>>>>>>> things, so it would be great to know if such a list exists.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Ari
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