I discussed the idea about totally blind people seeing in their dreams with an ophthalmologist, who asked me that question. When he determined no light was received by my brain. He said, if a person ever saw at all. Even if he lost his sight at a few months of age, he would see in his dreams. But, a person who never at all saw light or anything else for that matter, would not see in his dreams. My question would be: If a totally blind person never saw at all at any time in his life, how would he know he saw. Not having anything to compare sight or its lack to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Damoulakis" <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx>
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Look I have just come very lately to the party on this because before I was extremely sceptical from reading people like Richard Dawkins and James Randi etc, but then I read a book by Pim Van Lommel who I thought the points he made about consciousness seemed to me to refute what the skeptics were saying. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was one of the most interesting books I've ever read, particularly the weird fact that most people they've studied who have actually experienced an NDE then leave all organised religions, you would have expected the converse maybe? The thing that really got me though is he talked about a research study that was done by a guy on NDES that happened to totally blind people, and 3 of them who had been blind since birth apparently claimed to have been able to experience the phenomenon of sight when they left their bodies during the NDES. The rejections to that that some skeptics made were that blind people also see in their dreams but I for example have never been able to do that, I think people who are blind since birth don't see in their dreams? And there's also the whole thing about whether the blind can experience ghosts and things that sighted people claim. I don't know, I just wondered about this and hope there is a group or, even if there isn't a actual group for the blind, whether there are blind people on normal groups who've experienced these, and a discussion group for the blind on these phenomena would be very interesting, since most blind groups I find are just mainstream religion ones. On 2/24/14, Debby McCallan <debramccallan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Me too. Debs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun O'Connor" <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:36 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for groupWhilst i do no know of any groups that cater for that interest among the blind community, it is an area of interest that also have. Sean On 24/02/2014 18:47, Ari Damoulakis wrote:Hi guys If there isn't a blind one, then a good mainstream one will be OK, but is there by any chance a list where blind people discuss the paranormal, particularly things like NDE's, OBE's psychic abilities, ESP etc. I'm not talking about religion or religious lists. I don't know if we in the blind community have many experiences of such things, so it would be great to know if such a list exists. Thanks Ari ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3705/6620 - Release Date: 02/24/14 ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq
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