Hi Mark, The shuffle then, ought to be even more accessible, from what we have learned, since it has no display, and we now know you can turn on and off shuffle mode. Personally though, I prefer the sound quality of players such as the Iriver players, or the Archos. They are better quality than the Ipod. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mark Berrisford-Smith Sent: 09 March 2005 20:45 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Adrian, All iPods are menu-driven. The latest models (4th generation) are somewhat easier to use than their predecessors on account of the incorporation of the four touch-sensitive buttons into the click wheel. Having said that, iPods are perfectly usable, if you accept that you are likely to need sighted help to change obscure menu settings. I've owned mine for six months, and have only resorted to sighted help twice! If you want to discuss iPods at more length, perhaps we can speak on the phone. It would save me a lot of writing! All the best, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Snelgrove To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [access-uk] Ipod Hi folks. Does anybody know of an accessible Ipod? Something that's not totally menu driven? Wanting to buy one but am not briefed on them. Many thanks. Adrian. Adrian Snelgrove tel. Mobile: 07779113281 MSN messenger: adrian.snelgrove@xxxxxxxxxx