Dave Your suggestion about audio described controls would certainly help a lot, and it is the opposite way of thinking which Pure used for the Sonus 1XT. They decided to make just one radio accessible with speech, whereas if they made all their radios this way they would not have had to worry about sales and then stopped making the Sonus. I think we may get there in the end, but it will take a lot of work persuading manufacturers to jump on the band waggon. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ankers, Dave (UK) Sent: 18 October 2007 11:12 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Buying specialist technology without accessible instructions Jackie, You are quite right! It amazes me how manufacturers of products for blind, vision impaired equipment forget who the end user is when it comes to packaging and instructions. We don't want fancy coloured font and pictures on packaging and why on earth do they include small print instructions? Surely they should have the common sense to include instructions in at least 16 point Arial font and an audio CD, plus a website where the operating instructions can be read or downloaded from. Something I would like all manufacturers to build in to all electrical products, is an audio describer switch, which when in use, describes the position or operation of switches and buttons. Imagine using a standard washing machine fitted with this function, with the audio describer turned on, all the buttons can be pressed until the required button is found and dials turned to the required position, then when the audio describer is turned off, the buttons pressed again with audio confirmation of the function and the machine started. Now apply that to remote controls, microwaves, cookers, central heating controls, mp3 players, basically anything. If manufacturers built the feature into all their products, then the cost would be minimal and when someone looses their sight, they won't loose the ability to use their equipment and have to fork out lots of money to get something that is accessible. Dave On the subject of buying specialist technology with inaccessible instructions, I'll be very careful how I phrase this because it's something I've beefed about for years, and it still goes on. In my personal and humble opinion, wherever a company - no matter who that retailer is - sells a product or service to someone with a visual impairment, the instructions accompanying that item should be in an alternative format to standard print. How can we have the DDA in this country if those who have direct influence to ensure accessibility is met don't in fact comply? We have invested a lot of money on access technology over the years, yet I still find myself having to request materials in my preferred format. Using the examples of both the Colorino and talking tape measure from Caretec, neither has accessible instructions, even though I have sussed out how to use them satisfactorily. But that isn't the point. If I could read the instructions, I could surely see to use an ordinary measure and not need a detector to tell me my colours? That's where I'm coming from anyway, and I mean no disrespect to any retailer or individual on the list. Most companies that deal with specialist equipment do offer alternative formats, whether it be through intuitive help on the device itself, or instructions and quick start references that accompany it. But there is still an issue with this. Jackie ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq