[access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity

  • From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:25:06 -0000

Yes it is, but again I can't be bothered with it. However, the configuration for MSN includes the most common emoticons by default so they'll definitely read properly when using Windows Live Messenger at least. 


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Threadgold" <m.j.threadgold@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:13 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity



I don't mind not hearing them and usually skip over it.

I use Hal which has an exceptions editor list.  Here you can specify text
and tell Hal how to announce it.  So you could put in a ;) and tell it to
say the words 'winking smiley' when it comes accross it.  I just can't be
bothered to do it as I can live without them.  If i do get confused with
what is being said I just go through the text word by word at the point i
don't understand it, and all is usually revealed.

I assume this is a similar thing to the jaws dictionary?

hth


Mark Threadgold

Of all the things I have ever lost, The one I miss most is my mind...



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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Amro Bilal
Sent: 11 November 2008 22:07
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity


"Incidently, I don't hear any smilies when written with ;) or similar as i
have the amount of punctuation and verbosity set very low to speed up the
speech output.  This does get confusing when someone asks a question about
them, for instance!!"
Sorry Mark didn't mean to confuse you! But couldn't ask about smilys without 
typing them using punctuation marks!

OK. Wouldn't be an idea then to make Jaws use a similar dictionary for
Outlook and IE to the one that is used with MSN? I mean, in your case Mark, how do you deal with emails from outside this list, internet forums and even 
text messages? Do other screen readers have something akin to the Jaws
dictionary? And re the point Chris made about Braille displays, do Braille
displays not display punctuation marks correctly then?
----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Threadgold <mailto:m.j.threadgold@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity

This goes back to the writing of html where the tag for starting a line of
code is enclosed in the two signs such as <grin>.

The end of the portion of code is represented by the same word in the
characters but with a slash preceding it such as </grin>.

Over time folks have simply stopped putting in the <> signs round the tag.

Incidently, I don't hear any smilies when written with ;) or similar as i
have the amount of punctuation and verbosity set very low to speed up the
speech output.  This does get confusing when someone asks a question about
them, for instance!!

hth,



Mark Threadgold

Of all the things I have ever lost, The one I miss most is my mind...



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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Amro Bilal
Sent: 11 November 2008 21:25
To: Access-UK
Subject: [access-uk] An observation and a curiosity


Hi all,

This might be OT, not really sure but here goes.
I noticed on this list that people don't use smileys and winks such as :) ;) 
etc. People rather write smile, wink and what have you. I've never come
across this practise on any other emailing list or internet forum. It struck 
me that even literate computer users on this list do that. So I wander, is
there a reason for this practise? Do Braille users find wink signs confusing 
for instance? Excuse my ignorance, but I rely on my screen reader's speech
output and I've never had any problems with reading winks. I started doing
what everyone else does on this list and the Jaws list but never asked why! 

If there's a good reason behind this I'd be glad to learn it. If there
isn't, then IMHO this is a bad habit. What applies to other internet forums 
I believe should apply here too unless there's a justification for doing
otherwise. Am I being pedantic? Would love to here other people opinions!

Cheers,
Amro




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