[absoft-board] Re: Raised music staff
- From: "dogmom tds.net" <dogmom@xxxxxxx>
- To: kettling@xxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:47:06 -0500
Geoff, it's my fault - I couldn't find your UNR address when this whole
thing started then I completely forgot that you wanted this to be at your
UNR address. I fixed this one and if from now on people reply all from this
specific post or else start afresh the problem should be fixed. Sorry.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Geoff Kettling <geoffkettling@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I courteously ask that this email be removed henceforth from any and all
> CCs on emails. I prefer all emails regarding this endeavor go through my
> work/professional email, kettling@xxxxxxx. Thank you in advance for
> respecting my decision.
>
> Courteously,
> Geoff Kettling
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, John Gardner
> <john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Glad to help. The Tiger embosser is pretty powerful, but, like all
>> powerful things, it takes some learning to get all that power under your
>> control.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* YEAJI KIM [mailto:kyjpiano@xxxxxxxxx]
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 3:00 PM
>> *To:* dogmom tds.net
>> *Cc:* John Gardner; John J. Boyer; Todd Welbourne; Tim Osswald; William
>> Aquite Aguilar; Todd Welbourne; John J. Boyer; absoft-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>> Geoff Kettling; Sam Boyer; Laura Torres
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Raised music staff
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr Gardner!
>>
>> Thank you very much for letting all us know the details of the machine.
>> Sure I have had certain experience with it and unfortunately the machine
>> had limitations, which made it not very much useful for reading advanced
>> music. I hope to overcome those limitations with my project. Thank you for
>> the information, have a good weekend.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Yeaji.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014. 5. 23., at 오후 4:26, dogmom tds.net <dogmom@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to know. I think both Johns and Todd ought to discuss what is
>> lacking, if anything, in the software. This has been a good discussion.
>> Happy Holiday Week-end y'all.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:18 PM, John Gardner <john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is no way to improve the printer hardware. It is by far the best
>> graphics technology. Special software might be needed, and that should not
>> be difficult to support.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dogmom tds.net [mailto:dogmom@xxxxxxx]
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:40 AM
>> *To:* John Gardner
>> *Cc:* John J. Boyer; Todd Welbourne; Tim Osswald; William Aquite
>> Aguilar; Todd Welbourne; John J. Boyer; absoft-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>> Geoff Kettling; Sam Boyer; Laura Torres; Kim Yeaji
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Raised music staff
>>
>>
>>
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>> John Gardner, I have a feeling that Yeaji Kim may have some insights.
>> Also, she is using more complicated music than what one normally finds in
>> high schools or church choirs. There is some additional notation used by
>> musicians that had been difficult to convey. This is why I suggest we join
>> forces to see if the existing software is good enough or if it needs to be
>> enhanced. And is the Tiger good enough or could it be enhanced specifically
>> for music. The engineering department at UW-Madison is willing to work on
>> the technical/machine aspects. We are at the very beginning of this
>> discussion. I think you and Todd Welbourne need to talk together so Todd
>> can see what the Tiger is capable of and so you can see what the advanced
>> musician needs.
>>
>>
>>
>> I find this conversation very interesting. I was trained as a classical
>> pianist, but nerve damage in my hands from childhood polio made me give up
>> playing in the mid 1980s. I have some programming in my background, but am
>> not current on it. I also worked in disability services on the UW campus.
>> I've been retired for over 10 years so I do not know what kind of embosser
>> McBurney Disability Resource Center has.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, John Gardner <john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all. UW surely has a ViewPlus Tiger embosser. Check with your SSD
>> office.
>>
>> In answer to your questions, yes different heights are available with our
>> embossers. The default is to emboss dark colors with big dots and lighter
>> colors with smaller dots. There are 8 heights available. We have embossed
>> music before, but it needs to be enlarged quite a bit to be understandable
>> tactually. So this probably is not something that will be useful to both
>> sighted and blind people. But it can certainly be read by both. As I
>> recall, the only problsm was identifying open vs closed notes. They are
>> different, but the difference is subtle enough that one needs to be careful
>> to get it right.
>>
>> These were all embossed directly from the software. I believe it was
>> Finale, but I'm not 100% certain. I believe that this is a useful way for
>> blind people to know what sighted people are using, and it is probably a
>> good way to learn music. It is probably a good way for blind students to
>> read music if they are taking a music appreciation class, for youngsters
>> taking music in elementary school, etc. It is really awfully cumbersome
>> for professional use, so professionals should probably learn music braille.
>> I emphasize that these are my personal thoughts. To my knowledge nobody
>> has actually done a research project on this. May be that is a good thing
>> for you to do.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John J. Boyer [mailto:johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 5:32 AM
>> To: Todd Welbourne
>> Cc: dogmom tds.net; Tim Osswald; William Aquite Aguilar; Todd Welbourne;
>> John J. Boyer; absoft-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Kettling; Sam Boyer;
>> Laura Torres; Kim Yeaji
>> Subject: Re: Raised music staff
>>
>> Since ViewPlus Technologies makes the Tiger embosser, it would be best to
>> contact them for details. Their website is http://www.viewplus.com .
>> The person I usually correspond with is John Gardner,
>> john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx . However, he travels a lot and may not be
>> able to answer email immediately. I can answer your questions, but
>> VoiewPlus is the place to go for detail. The Tiger can produce dots of
>> different heights on the same page. They are very close together, so there
>> is room for much detail. Things can be printed in ink on the page, but I'm
>> not sure whether different colors are possible. Thin paper can be used.
>>
>> I would be hapy to correspond with Yeaji to learn more about her method.
>> That can wait until after the concert if necessary.
>>
>> John Boyer
>>
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 06:36:19AM -0500, Todd Welbourne wrote:
>> > Thanks for all your input! These things seem excellent and Yeaji would
>> > love to see some of your examples. She has very specific ideas as to
>> > the system she thinks would work. Can your systems “emboss’ in
>> > different heights (on the same page), with different colors, is it
>> > “crisp” enough to feel the level of detail necessary, is it on thin
>> > enough paper so as to not be cumbersome for sighted users. "Universal
>> > design" is the driving concept behind her idea. She would love to meet
>> > to discuss these ideas and see your examples, but there is another
>> > problem. Currently she is in intense preparation for a concert in
>> > Seoul, South Korea in June, and will leave the US on May 30. Since
>> > she has graduated we need to find a way to fund her as a Visiting
>> > Scholar, or something else, that would satisfy visa issues, etc. in
>> > the fall so she can pursue these avenues. Any ideas? TW
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 21, 2014, at 2:11 PM, dogmom tds.net <dogmom@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Our board secretary passed the following information on to me
>> privately, but I feel it is something all in this conversation would be
>> interested in. Our board secretary is Geoff Kettling of the University of
>> Nevada at Reno:
>> > > We have a Comp Sci Ph.D. candidate, visually impaired working on an
>> app for doing geometry on a tablet for persons who are blind. He just was
>> awarded google lime grant. Last name Grussenmeyer. He's working with a
>> prof who's been developing a gps system for navigating inside buildings.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I feel that when it comes to tactile graphics, people at UW-Madison,
>> UN-Reno, AbilitiesSoft and View Plus would all benefit from working
>> together.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Tim - Noah Herschkowitz can tell you more about me and my tenure at
>> UW, hershkowitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. John Boyer can fill you in on the
>> software aspects and John Gardner on the technical aspects of printing
>> graphics on the Tiger. Strongly suggest you be in contact with John
>> Gardner. He is aware of the article from the Wisconsin State Journal, as is
>> all who are getting this email.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:56 AM, John J. Boyer <
>> johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > The Tiger embosser is specially designed for tactile graphics. The
>> > > McBurney Center should have known about it. The software comes free
>> > > with the purchase of an embosser. Both are from ViewPlus
>> > > technologies. The best person to contact for more information is
>> > > John Gardner at john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx . I'll be happy to help in
>> whatever way I can.
>> > >
>> > > Is there a way to contact Ms. Kim? I would like to know more details
>> about her method.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 07:08:52AM -0500, Tim Osswald wrote:
>> > > > Marcia,
>> > > >
>> > > > That is great. We would definitely like to see it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best
>> > > > Tim
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On May 20, 2014, at 6:13 AM, dogmom tds.net <dogmom@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Prof. Osswald,
>> > > > > I read with great interest the story in the Sunday Wisconsin
>> State Journal about the raised music staff and that you and your students
>> are going to look into ways to mass produce it. I must inform you that the
>> technology already exists. With open source software from AbilitiesSoft and
>> the Tiger Braille embossser from View Plus Technologies, we've been
>> producing raised music staff for years.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Prof. Welbourne,
>> > > > > Please pass this information on to Miss Kim.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > For more information, I suggest you contact the director of
>> AbilitiesSoft, Mr. John J. Boyer, via email. His address is
>> john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. John is deaf/blind so email is the best
>> way to reach him.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Marcia Carlson, Chair of the Board of Directors AbilitiesSoft,
>> > > > > Inc.
>> > > > > a 501(3)c organization.
>> > > > > Madison, WI
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Professor Tim A. Osswald
>> > > > K.K. and Cindy Wang Professor
>> > > > Honorary Professor at
>> > > > University of Erlangen-Nuremberg and Universidad Nacional de
>> > > > Colombia co-Director of the Polymer Engineering Center Mechanical
>> > > > Engineering Department University of Wisconsin-Madison Madison, WI
>> > > > 53706
>> > > > (608) 263 9538
>> > > > osswald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > http://pec.engr.wisc.edu/
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > My websites:
>> > > GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc. http://www.godtouches.org
>> > > Abilitiessoft, Inc. http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>> > > Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Marcia
>> >
>> > Todd Welbourne
>> > tgwelbou@xxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> My websites:
>> GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc. http://www.godtouches.orgAbilitiessoft,
>> Inc.
>> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>> Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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>> --
>> Marcia
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>> --
>> Marcia
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Marcia
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