[absoft-board] Re: Raised music staff
- From: "dogmom tds.net" <dogmom@xxxxxxx>
- To: John Gardner <john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 16:26:37 -0500
Good to know. I think both Johns and Todd ought to discuss what is lacking,
if anything, in the software. This has been a good discussion. Happy
Holiday Week-end y'all.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:18 PM, John Gardner <john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> There is no way to improve the printer hardware. It is by far the best
> graphics technology. Special software might be needed, and that should not
> be difficult to support.
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> John
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> *From:* dogmom tds.net [mailto:dogmom@xxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:40 AM
> *To:* John Gardner
> *Cc:* John J. Boyer; Todd Welbourne; Tim Osswald; William Aquite Aguilar;
> Todd Welbourne; John J. Boyer; absoft-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff
> Kettling; Sam Boyer; Laura Torres; Kim Yeaji
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> *Subject:* Re: Raised music staff
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> John Gardner, I have a feeling that Yeaji Kim may have some insights.
> Also, she is using more complicated music than what one normally finds in
> high schools or church choirs. There is some additional notation used by
> musicians that had been difficult to convey. This is why I suggest we join
> forces to see if the existing software is good enough or if it needs to be
> enhanced. And is the Tiger good enough or could it be enhanced specifically
> for music. The engineering department at UW-Madison is willing to work on
> the technical/machine aspects. We are at the very beginning of this
> discussion. I think you and Todd Welbourne need to talk together so Todd
> can see what the Tiger is capable of and so you can see what the advanced
> musician needs.
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> I find this conversation very interesting. I was trained as a classical
> pianist, but nerve damage in my hands from childhood polio made me give up
> playing in the mid 1980s. I have some programming in my background, but am
> not current on it. I also worked in disability services on the UW campus.
> I've been retired for over 10 years so I do not know what kind of embosser
> McBurney Disability Resource Center has.
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, John Gardner <john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> Hello all. UW surely has a ViewPlus Tiger embosser. Check with your SSD
> office.
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> In answer to your questions, yes different heights are available with our
> embossers. The default is to emboss dark colors with big dots and lighter
> colors with smaller dots. There are 8 heights available. We have embossed
> music before, but it needs to be enlarged quite a bit to be understandable
> tactually. So this probably is not something that will be useful to both
> sighted and blind people. But it can certainly be read by both. As I
> recall, the only problsm was identifying open vs closed notes. They are
> different, but the difference is subtle enough that one needs to be careful
> to get it right.
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> These were all embossed directly from the software. I believe it was
> Finale, but I'm not 100% certain. I believe that this is a useful way for
> blind people to know what sighted people are using, and it is probably a
> good way to learn music. It is probably a good way for blind students to
> read music if they are taking a music appreciation class, for youngsters
> taking music in elementary school, etc. It is really awfully cumbersome
> for professional use, so professionals should probably learn music braille.
> I emphasize that these are my personal thoughts. To my knowledge nobody
> has actually done a research project on this. May be that is a good thing
> for you to do.
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> John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John J. Boyer [mailto:johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 5:32 AM
> To: Todd Welbourne
> Cc: dogmom tds.net; Tim Osswald; William Aquite Aguilar; Todd Welbourne;
> John J. Boyer; absoft-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Kettling; Sam Boyer;
> Laura Torres; Kim Yeaji
> Subject: Re: Raised music staff
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> Since ViewPlus Technologies makes the Tiger embosser, it would be best to
> contact them for details. Their website is http://www.viewplus.com .
> The person I usually correspond with is John Gardner,
> john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx . However, he travels a lot and may not be able
> to answer email immediately. I can answer your questions, but VoiewPlus is
> the place to go for detail. The Tiger can produce dots of different heights
> on the same page. They are very close together, so there is room for much
> detail. Things can be printed in ink on the page, but I'm not sure whether
> different colors are possible. Thin paper can be used.
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> I would be hapy to correspond with Yeaji to learn more about her method.
> That can wait until after the concert if necessary.
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> John Boyer
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> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 06:36:19AM -0500, Todd Welbourne wrote:
> > Thanks for all your input! These things seem excellent and Yeaji would
> > love to see some of your examples. She has very specific ideas as to
> > the system she thinks would work. Can your systems “emboss’ in
> > different heights (on the same page), with different colors, is it
> > “crisp” enough to feel the level of detail necessary, is it on thin
> > enough paper so as to not be cumbersome for sighted users. "Universal
> > design" is the driving concept behind her idea. She would love to meet
> > to discuss these ideas and see your examples, but there is another
> > problem. Currently she is in intense preparation for a concert in
> > Seoul, South Korea in June, and will leave the US on May 30. Since
> > she has graduated we need to find a way to fund her as a Visiting
> > Scholar, or something else, that would satisfy visa issues, etc. in
> > the fall so she can pursue these avenues. Any ideas? TW
> >
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> > On May 21, 2014, at 2:11 PM, dogmom tds.net <dogmom@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Our board secretary passed the following information on to me
> privately, but I feel it is something all in this conversation would be
> interested in. Our board secretary is Geoff Kettling of the University of
> Nevada at Reno:
> > > We have a Comp Sci Ph.D. candidate, visually impaired working on an
> app for doing geometry on a tablet for persons who are blind. He just was
> awarded google lime grant. Last name Grussenmeyer. He's working with a
> prof who's been developing a gps system for navigating inside buildings.
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel that when it comes to tactile graphics, people at UW-Madison,
> UN-Reno, AbilitiesSoft and View Plus would all benefit from working
> together.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim - Noah Herschkowitz can tell you more about me and my tenure at
> UW, hershkowitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. John Boyer can fill you in on the
> software aspects and John Gardner on the technical aspects of printing
> graphics on the Tiger. Strongly suggest you be in contact with John
> Gardner. He is aware of the article from the Wisconsin State Journal, as is
> all who are getting this email.
> > >
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> > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:56 AM, John J. Boyer <
> johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > The Tiger embosser is specially designed for tactile graphics. The
> > > McBurney Center should have known about it. The software comes free
> > > with the purchase of an embosser. Both are from ViewPlus
> > > technologies. The best person to contact for more information is
> > > John Gardner at john.gardner@xxxxxxxxxxxx . I'll be happy to help in
> whatever way I can.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to contact Ms. Kim? I would like to know more details
> about her method.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 07:08:52AM -0500, Tim Osswald wrote:
> > > > Marcia,
> > > >
> > > > That is great. We would definitely like to see it.
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On May 20, 2014, at 6:13 AM, dogmom tds.net <dogmom@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Prof. Osswald,
> > > > > I read with great interest the story in the Sunday Wisconsin State
> Journal about the raised music staff and that you and your students are
> going to look into ways to mass produce it. I must inform you that the
> technology already exists. With open source software from AbilitiesSoft and
> the Tiger Braille embossser from View Plus Technologies, we've been
> producing raised music staff for years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prof. Welbourne,
> > > > > Please pass this information on to Miss Kim.
> > > > >
> > > > > For more information, I suggest you contact the director of
> AbilitiesSoft, Mr. John J. Boyer, via email. His address is
> john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. John is deaf/blind so email is the best way
> to reach him.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marcia Carlson, Chair of the Board of Directors AbilitiesSoft,
> > > > > Inc.
> > > > > a 501(3)c organization.
> > > > > Madison, WI
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Professor Tim A. Osswald
> > > > K.K. and Cindy Wang Professor
> > > > Honorary Professor at
> > > > University of Erlangen-Nuremberg and Universidad Nacional de
> > > > Colombia co-Director of the Polymer Engineering Center Mechanical
> > > > Engineering Department University of Wisconsin-Madison Madison, WI
> > > > 53706
> > > > (608) 263 9538
> > > > osswald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > http://pec.engr.wisc.edu/
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > My websites:
> > > GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc. http://www.godtouches.org
> > > Abilitiessoft, Inc. http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > > Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcia
> >
> > Todd Welbourne
> > tgwelbou@xxxxxxxx
> >
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> --
> My websites:
> GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc. http://www.godtouches.orgAbilitiessoft, Inc.
> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Marcia
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Marcia
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