Just to add a "me too" to Mike's excellent advice and recommendation, I just purchased (another) fan from www.1coolpc.com last night. Bart was very responsive to my question (it was 10:00 PM Sunday night when I emailed him with a question, and he emailed right back!), and I have not had a problem with anything I have bought from him thus far. Regarding price, I found that his fans are on the higher side, but worth it (as Mike said, for the warranty), and he doesn't charge crazy amounts for shipping. I saw one vendor that wanted to charge $7.19 UPS ground for a $7.00 fan. Ridiculous! Hi Samy, Is this the message you were looking for? Don't Lose Your Cooling by Ron Allen http://webpages.charter.net/chizotz/cooling.html I am a very strong believer in computer cooling. I lost one system to heat death when a power supply fan stopped working. Never again. I mean, that was of the most ridiculous things I have ever had happen to me -- losing a $2000 investment because of a $10 fan going bad. I discovered it by smelling smoke, and almost had the thing actually catch on fire and burn the house down on top of losing the whole computer system. That was scary. It was also embarrassing, since, in ignorance, I allowed it to happen in the first place. It was very expensive no matter how you cut it. What really ticks me off, though, is that computer system manufacturers put people in that position deliberately. They typically put the absolute minimum amount of cooling into a system that they can get away with, and generally they use the cheapest possible fans as well. They WANT those computers to fail after awhile so the good old consumer can perform their primary function and spend more hard-earned money sooner rather than later. Bah! What amazes me most is that I have had trouble convincing some people that they should even be concerned about cooling their computer systems. I have encountered many people who scoff and say I am too concerned. Their reasoning usually goes that the manufacturer knows best, and THEY didn't put all kinds of fans in the system. The two most important fans in any system are (1) the CPU fan, and (2) the power supply fan. If either of these fans go out, you ultimately are at risk for an actual fire in your home. Beyond the risk of a fire, the CPU fan is the most vital because the CPU is most susceptible to heat damage and is very expensive to replace. The power supply fan failing can burn up the power supply, but power supplies are cheaper at perhaps $50 - $100 replacement cost. Either of those fans going out can damage the system beyond repair though. I just can't emphasize enough the importance of keeping your computer system properly cooled. Here is what I suggest for cooling your PC: A good, powerful CPU fan and heat sink A good, powerful power supply fan. At LEAST one good case fan, preferably two or even more, with at least one blowing outside air over the components and at least one exhausting air from the case. It is best to arrange the case fans so that there is a powered air flow as many of the internal components as possible. I can highly, highly recommend any of the fans sold by; http://www.1coolpc.com/ which is where I buy all of my fans. The fans they sell are high-quality and they all come with a 100% lifetime warranty. They are slightly, but by no means outrageously, more expensive than fans you can get elsewhere, but to me the warranty alone is well worth a couple of extra dollars. And 1coolpc sells only quality fans. I've had exactly one fan I bought from them fail, and all I did was send an email to them and my replacement was shipped to me the very same day, no questions asked and entirely at their expense. The owner of the company is Bart Lane, and he works directly with you to get you what you need. I am not affiliated with them in any way, I am just a very satisfied customer. Regardless of where you buy fans, I strongly suggest only buying ball-bearing fans. Most fans, especially cheap fans, use sleeve bearings that wear out quickly. Ball bearing fans last much, much longer on average. Here is a page I put together that shows the cooling strategy I devised for the last system I built (with pictures). http://webpages.charter.net/chizotz/cooling.html I also use, and recommend, rounded IDE and floppy drive cables. Rounded cables are more flexible and easier to work with, and they present a far lower air flow blocking cross section which helps keep your system that much cooler. You can also buy rounded IDE and floppy cables from 1coolpc. Hope this helps, Ron ~~~~ From MWN #475 The Yahoo archives for my newsletter are public, you do not need to be a member of Yahoo to read or search them. Mike ~ It is a good day if I learned something new. Editor MikesWhatsNews see a sample on my web page http://www3.telus.net/mikebike <mikeswhatsnews-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe See my Anti-Virus pages ~ http://virusinfo.hackfix.org *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/1/02 at 02:55 PM sam wrote: helllo friends , i have an unusual request of help. during the last hour i was doing a search in the archives of the list on Yahoo . i am looking for an old message i think it is from Ron Allen , in which he tells us about how he lost a computer because of not changing the fan. a friend of mine said to me yesterday that his fan is very old and making much noise. i want to send him this message in order to make him aware of how important and urgent (!) it is to replace an old and noisy fan. maybe someone of the group has saved this message ? i arrived to some messages about fans , yes , but not to this specific one lol or maybe the story is in another message, who's subject is not fans? thanks for any help samy - Users can unsubscribe from this list by sending email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1/24hrsupport.htm. - Users can unsubscribe from this list by sending email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1/24hrsupport.htm.