[vi-android] Re: Reason for subscribing
- From: Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: vi-android@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:47:58 +1000
Ah well, better than a name which never sounds correct without half an
hours work on the pronounciation dictionary!
On 15 May 2014 14:41, Dialup @ 56k <dialup56k@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sorry Quentin.
> All variations sound correct with JAWS !!
> Glen Barwick
>
> ***
>
> On 15-May-14 2:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>
>> *grin* You did it again then - it's actually Q u e n t i n
>>
>> No problem, it's one of those names which can have just about any
>> vowels inserted and be a valid spelling of the name. I answer to most
>> things, just don't call me late for dinner!
>>
>> On 15 May 2014 14:25, Dialup @ 56k <dialup56k@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oops. Sorry for mis spelling your name Quintin.
>>> Glen Barwick
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> On 15-May-14 2:13 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeanie,
>>>>
>>>> Code Factory have now released Eloquence for Android (the tip seems to
>>>> be to search for "ETI Eloquence" or "Eloquence text" or similar since
>>>> it's called "Eloquence Text To Speech" and just searching for
>>>> Eloquence doesn't find it as quickly). Here is the link:
>>>>
>>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=es.codefactory.eloquencetts
>>>>
>>>> On that is a video which gives you an idea of what it sounds like.
>>>> THe feedback I've seen from a couple of users here is that it is
>>>> slightly compressed compared to say Jaws on a PC, but not badly and
>>>> overall it works really well. It does work with a few languages, but
>>>> not ALL languages yet, so if you need support for a specific language
>>>> just double check it has that before you buy it (It costs around $20
>>>> US).
>>>>
>>>> With Google's voices, it depends which language you prefer. For
>>>> English US there is only Female, or Female (High quality), though for
>>>> English UK there are both male and female regular and high quality
>>>> voices (The high quality voices sound much better but are much larger
>>>> - the UK English Female voice is 4.6mb for instance, wheras her high
>>>> quality counterpart takes up a whopping 276 mb - As far as I can find
>>>> out that definitely gets stored on your phone, you can't store it on
>>>> your SD card).
>>>>
>>>> And there are other voices as well - some manufacturers (like Samsung)
>>>> include their own voices (though I prefer the Google ones to
>>>> Samsung's), and there are third party voices you can download from the
>>>> Play Store. "Ivona" make a range of different voices and accents for
>>>> a few dollars each (some are in beta and are free), and you can
>>>> download eSPeak, Pico and a few others you might have come across
>>>> before as well.
>>>>
>>>> Finally re your own messages, yes the way the group is setup, you
>>>> don't get a copy of your own message. I'll have a look and see if
>>>> there is an option I can change for that (I admin the group).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Quentin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 May 2014 13:54, Jeanie Vejil <proud2have-tsedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Quenton.
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys are teaching me a lot about what to consider and what not to
>>>>> consider, which is exactly what I need to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard that Code Factory is about to release a version of Eloquence
>>>>> for
>>>>> android phones. What have you heard about that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I've not had the phone in my hand yet, but have heard TalkBack.
>>>>> Is
>>>>> there only a female voice available at this time with TalkBack?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we supposed to be able to see our own posts with this list so that
>>>>> we
>>>>> know they got to the list? If so, how does one change the settings so
>>>>> our
>>>>> own posts show up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeanie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 5/15/2014 12:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then there are the alternatives to Android - the iPhone and the
>>>>>> Windows phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The iPhone works very similarly to Android, and like Android, the
>>>>>> iPhone comes with a screen reader (called VoiceOver). iPhones tend to
>>>>>> be more expensive than equivalent Android phones and are not as
>>>>>> customisable (the advantage of that being that if you have an iPhone
>>>>>> it will be the same as everyone else's so what works on one will work
>>>>>> on another. The disadvantage being that if you don't like the stock
>>>>>> iPhone keyboard or text messaging app, bad luck because it's your only
>>>>>> option).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows Phone doesn't yet have a screen reader to the extent of
>>>>>> Android or iPhone. I did hear that the newest ones will start to
>>>>>> include a version of Narrator, and I believe they also have a
>>>>>> magnifier, but I would definitely be going with either Android or an
>>>>>> iPhone for accessibility, particularly screen reader accessibility for
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re different Android manufacturers, yes as Glen said, Nexus devices
>>>>>> run a more 'pure' Android interface and don't have as much bloat ware
>>>>>> (extra apps and software features) which most of the manufacturers add
>>>>>> on to their phones. Samsung are quite good, and their newest flagship
>>>>>> phone, the S5, also has the ability to triple click the home key to
>>>>>> quickly turn Talkback on and off, which is one feature of the iPhone
>>>>>> which we have been hoping to see overe on Android. Some of the other
>>>>>> manufacturers have had issues with accessibility, as when they have
>>>>>> customised their interface, it has caused things not to work so well
>>>>>> with the screen reader. I know at least HTC and Sony have suffered
>>>>>> from this, and I'm not sure about LG. Even if you get one of their
>>>>>> phones, you can replace most of the inaccessible apps and features,
>>>>>> though there can still be issues, so I would stick with either a Nexus
>>>>>> or a Samsung for best acessibility with Talkback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 May 2014 12:30, Jeanie Vejil <proud2have-tsedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Glen. Every little bit helps since I know very little about
>>>>>>> android
>>>>>>> phones other than that they have touch screens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday 5/15/2014 12:15 PM, Dialup @ 56k wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Jeanie,
>>>>>>>> I'm sure Quinton has some really good info here, but here's my
>>>>>>>> sixpence
>>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>>> Lots of manufacturere release smart phones running Android, like
>>>>>>>> Samsung,
>>>>>>>> HTC, LG, Motorola, just to name a few.
>>>>>>>> These manufacturers also release a large variation in phone styles
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> available options.
>>>>>>>> In terms of accessibility, the Nexus family of phones seems to be
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> reliable as they run a pure version of Android without the bloat
>>>>>>>> ware
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> compromises accessibility.
>>>>>>>> Lots of manufacturers have released this Nexus variant over the
>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>> including Samsung, LG, Asus etc.
>>>>>>>> The LG Nexus 5 seems to be the most recent of these releases.
>>>>>>>> Just to confuse the issue even more, it is reported that Google are
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> to rename the Nexus line to Silver.
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps in some way.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Glen Barwick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15-May-14 11:38 AM, Jeanie Vejil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Quenton.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary below. Jus to show you how uninformed I am,
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> there other brands of smart phones besides Samsung, smile.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeanie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday 5/15/2014 09:04 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeanie,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the group!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, a very broad request, but in general, you can actually do most
>>>>>>>>>> things on a smart phone that you can do on a computer - you can
>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>> write E-Mails, browse the web, play games, read books, get
>>>>>>>>>> directions
>>>>>>>>>> (the phones have a GPS built in so you can find out where you are
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> well) and heaps more - and of course you can do the core tasks of
>>>>>>>>>> making phone calls and sending / receiving text messages with
>>>>>>>>>> them!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The great thing is that, as on a computer, most tasks are able to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> done relying solely on the screen reader (talkback), which reads
>>>>>>>>>> everything out to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The trickiest thing to get used to is that there are very few
>>>>>>>>>> buttons
>>>>>>>>>> and almost everything is done by interacting with the touch screen
>>>>>>>>>> interface. Once you get familiar with the gestures (tapping /
>>>>>>>>>> double
>>>>>>>>>> tapping the screen, swiping and sliding your finger around) then
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> use similar gestures for most things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are alternative interfaces and apps you can get to make
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> simpler, it mostly depends on exactly what you want to do with the
>>>>>>>>>> phone - whether you want something to just be able to make and
>>>>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>>>> calls and text messages or whether you want to access e-mail,
>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>> and other things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you have any specific things you are wondering or tasks you
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> like to be able to do, let us know and I'm sure someone can give
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> more specific information.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15 May 2014 08:19, Jeanie Vejil
>>>>>>>>>> <proud2have-tsedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My name is Jeanie Vejil and I am totally blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello to all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AS of yet, I do not own an Android smart phone, but am interested
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> can teach me regarding what they can do, how difficult you feel
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> use, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope to read your input soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeanie
>>>>>>>>>>>
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