Sorry Quentin. I've been spelling it in correctly too, and I even looked at it before writing back the first time.
Jeanie On Thursday 5/15/2014 02:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
*grin* You did it again then - it's actually Q u e n t i n No problem, it's one of those names which can have just about any vowels inserted and be a valid spelling of the name. I answer to most things, just don't call me late for dinner! On 15 May 2014 14:25, Dialup @ 56k <dialup56k@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Oops. Sorry for mis spelling your name Quintin. > Glen Barwick > > > *** > > On 15-May-14 2:13 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote: >> >> Hi Jeanie, >> >> Code Factory have now released Eloquence for Android (the tip seems to >> be to search for "ETI Eloquence" or "Eloquence text" or similar since >> it's called "Eloquence Text To Speech" and just searching for >> Eloquence doesn't find it as quickly). Here is the link: >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=es.codefactory.eloquencetts >> >> On that is a video which gives you an idea of what it sounds like. >> THe feedback I've seen from a couple of users here is that it is >> slightly compressed compared to say Jaws on a PC, but not badly and >> overall it works really well. It does work with a few languages, but >> not ALL languages yet, so if you need support for a specific language >> just double check it has that before you buy it (It costs around $20 >> US). >> >> With Google's voices, it depends which language you prefer. For >> English US there is only Female, or Female (High quality), though for >> English UK there are both male and female regular and high quality >> voices (The high quality voices sound much better but are much larger >> - the UK English Female voice is 4.6mb for instance, wheras her high >> quality counterpart takes up a whopping 276 mb - As far as I can find >> out that definitely gets stored on your phone, you can't store it on >> your SD card). >> >> And there are other voices as well - some manufacturers (like Samsung) >> include their own voices (though I prefer the Google ones to >> Samsung's), and there are third party voices you can download from the >> Play Store. "Ivona" make a range of different voices and accents for >> a few dollars each (some are in beta and are free), and you can >> download eSPeak, Pico and a few others you might have come across >> before as well. >> >> Finally re your own messages, yes the way the group is setup, you >> don't get a copy of your own message. I'll have a look and see if >> there is an option I can change for that (I admin the group). >> >> Regards >> >> Quentin. >> >> >> On 15 May 2014 13:54, Jeanie Vejil <proud2have-tsedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Quenton. >>> >>> You guys are teaching me a lot about what to consider and what not to >>> consider, which is exactly what I need to know. >>> >>> I've heard that Code Factory is about to release a version of Eloquence >>> for >>> android phones. What have you heard about that? >>> >>> Also, I've not had the phone in my hand yet, but have heard TalkBack. Is >>> there only a female voice available at this time with TalkBack? >>> >>> Are we supposed to be able to see our own posts with this list so that we >>> know they got to the list? If so, how does one change the settings so >>> our >>> own posts show up? >>> >>> Jeanie >>> >>> On Thursday 5/15/2014 12:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> And then there are the alternatives to Android - the iPhone and the >>>> Windows phone. >>>> >>>> The iPhone works very similarly to Android, and like Android, the >>>> iPhone comes with a screen reader (called VoiceOver). iPhones tend to >>>> be more expensive than equivalent Android phones and are not as >>>> customisable (the advantage of that being that if you have an iPhone >>>> it will be the same as everyone else's so what works on one will work >>>> on another. The disadvantage being that if you don't like the stock >>>> iPhone keyboard or text messaging app, bad luck because it's your only >>>> option). >>>> >>>> Windows Phone doesn't yet have a screen reader to the extent of >>>> Android or iPhone. I did hear that the newest ones will start to >>>> include a version of Narrator, and I believe they also have a >>>> magnifier, but I would definitely be going with either Android or an >>>> iPhone for accessibility, particularly screen reader accessibility for >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Re different Android manufacturers, yes as Glen said, Nexus devices >>>> run a more 'pure' Android interface and don't have as much bloat ware >>>> (extra apps and software features) which most of the manufacturers add >>>> on to their phones. Samsung are quite good, and their newest flagship >>>> phone, the S5, also has the ability to triple click the home key to >>>> quickly turn Talkback on and off, which is one feature of the iPhone >>>> which we have been hoping to see overe on Android. Some of the other >>>> manufacturers have had issues with accessibility, as when they have >>>> customised their interface, it has caused things not to work so well >>>> with the screen reader. I know at least HTC and Sony have suffered >>>> from this, and I'm not sure about LG. Even if you get one of their >>>> phones, you can replace most of the inaccessible apps and features, >>>> though there can still be issues, so I would stick with either a Nexus >>>> or a Samsung for best acessibility with Talkback. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Quentin. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15 May 2014 12:30, Jeanie Vejil <proud2have-tsedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Glen. Every little bit helps since I know very little about >>>>> android >>>>> phones other than that they have touch screens. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday 5/15/2014 12:15 PM, Dialup @ 56k wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Jeanie, >>>>>> I'm sure Quinton has some really good info here, but here's my >>>>>> sixpence >>>>>> worth. >>>>>> Lots of manufacturere release smart phones running Android, like >>>>>> Samsung, >>>>>> HTC, LG, Motorola, just to name a few. >>>>>> These manufacturers also release a large variation in phone styles and >>>>>> available options. >>>>>> In terms of accessibility, the Nexus family of phones seems to be the >>>>>> most >>>>>> reliable as they run a pure version of Android without the bloat ware >>>>>> which >>>>>> compromises accessibility. >>>>>> Lots of manufacturers have released this Nexus variant over the years, >>>>>> including Samsung, LG, Asus etc. >>>>>> The LG Nexus 5 seems to be the most recent of these releases. >>>>>> Just to confuse the issue even more, it is reported that Google are >>>>>> about >>>>>> to rename the Nexus line to Silver. >>>>>> Hope this helps in some way. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Glen Barwick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15-May-14 11:38 AM, Jeanie Vejil wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Quenton. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the summary below. Jus to show you how uninformed I am, >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> there other brands of smart phones besides Samsung, smile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeanie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday 5/15/2014 09:04 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jeanie, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Welcome to the group! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, a very broad request, but in general, you can actually do most >>>>>>>> things on a smart phone that you can do on a computer - you can read >>>>>>>> / >>>>>>>> write E-Mails, browse the web, play games, read books, get >>>>>>>> directions >>>>>>>> (the phones have a GPS built in so you can find out where you are as >>>>>>>> well) and heaps more - and of course you can do the core tasks of >>>>>>>> making phone calls and sending / receiving text messages with them! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The great thing is that, as on a computer, most tasks are able to be >>>>>>>> done relying solely on the screen reader (talkback), which reads >>>>>>>> everything out to you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The trickiest thing to get used to is that there are very few >>>>>>>> buttons >>>>>>>> and almost everything is done by interacting with the touch screen >>>>>>>> interface. Once you get familiar with the gestures (tapping / >>>>>>>> double >>>>>>>> tapping the screen, swiping and sliding your finger around) then you >>>>>>>> use similar gestures for most things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are alternative interfaces and apps you can get to make things >>>>>>>> simpler, it mostly depends on exactly what you want to do with the >>>>>>>> phone - whether you want something to just be able to make and >>>>>>>> receive >>>>>>>> calls and text messages or whether you want to access e-mail, >>>>>>>> internet >>>>>>>> and other things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any specific things you are wondering or tasks you would >>>>>>>> like to be able to do, let us know and I'm sure someone can give you >>>>>>>> more specific information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quentin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 May 2014 08:19, Jeanie Vejil <proud2have-tsedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My name is Jeanie Vejil and I am totally blind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello to all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AS of yet, I do not own an Android smart phone, but am interested >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> can teach me regarding what they can do, how difficult you feel >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> use, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope to read your input soon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeanie >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To post to the list, simply send email to vi-android@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list send an email to >>>>>>>>> vi-android-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> field >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (new users, use 'subscribe' to subscribe) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To receive the list as a digest, send an email to >>>>>>>>> vi-android-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'set vi-android digest' in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (to go back to receiving every message use 'unset vi-android >>>>>>>>> digest' 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