--- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message --------------- Reporting that there is gang activity in the neighborhod when there is no apparent basis for the report. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights group > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET > Message --------------- > > Aileen, > > The police will respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there > is > a real threat but >> certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel > threatened >> for no reason. > > What is your point, FEEL THREATENED FOR NO REASON??? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:32 PM > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University > Heights > group > > >> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET > Message --------------- >> >> Buddy, >> I think you confused the intent of my message, the current tagging in our >> neighborhood is vandalism, no matter who is responsible. The intent of >> my >> message was to state that it is unlikely that it is being done by gang >> members or artists. I appreciate that you don't want the >> graffiti/artwork >> on your property and so do the people who actually get approval before > doing >> it. There is NOT any artwork is this neighborhood and, I am quite sure, >> nothing would be painted without being approved by property owners. >> This is vandalism here, but also sure it's not gang related. My message > was >> to try and assuage the fears of the neighborhood that it is gang related. >> Please keep calling the police if you see any minor painting but realize >> that the police will continue to disregard making an effort to get to >> this >> area if you continue to do so. They appear to think any call in this >> area >> is over reaction. Last night is a pretty good example that we deserve > this >> type activity of a toga party because we live in this area. The police > will >> respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is a real threat > but >> certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel > threatened >> for no reason. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:17 PM >> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University > Heights >> group >> >> >> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET >> > Message --------------- >> > >> > Aileen2, >> > >> > I have lived in this neighborhood a long time and I don't care to see > the >> > graffitti, no matter how artistic it may be to some people. Yes, there >> > may >> > be a place for it on a designated wall in a neighborhood and that is > fine >> > if >> > that is what you want. I resent having to see residents property in >> > the >> > neighborhood "tagged" and marked in such fashion. This so called >> > "expression" is not welcome. All it does is bring down the character of >> > where we live and if it is not removed in a timely fashion only brings > on >> > more markings. People from outside the neighborhood that see this >> > might >> > think twice about moving here. >> > >> > I think my concerns are validated with city council. I also think >> > there >> > is >> > nothing wrong with having a good time at a party, but not at someone >> > else's >> > expense in the wee hours of the morning. It is not acceptable wherever >> > you >> > live. Thank you. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:29 PM >> > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University >> > Heights >> > group >> > >> > >> >> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET >> > Message --------------- >> >> >> >> I've been trying to keep quiet about the reactions to what is going on >> > here >> >> lately but it is against my nature. Regarding the party last night, > the >> >> music certainly wasn't rap (I sort of resent the inference that it > was), >> > it >> >> was loud and annoying but more certainly a toga party, the music I > heard >> > was >> >> straight from the John Belushi movie "a little bit louder now" but >> > never >> >> got to the "a little bit softer now" I couldn't determine where it >> >> was >> >> coming from so didn't call the police but it was just coincidence that > I >> > was >> >> up at 1:30 and in my front room where I could hear it (on Foulke) I >> >> could >> >> go to the back room and go to sleep with no problem. Still unsure > where >> > the >> >> party was. >> >> I'm surprised that someone else knows the location of this party and > that >> > it >> >> is an annual event (I've lived here for 7 years and never heard the > party >> >> before, perhaps because I don't hear outside noises from my bedroom). >> > This >> >> sounds like a good discussion for a group meeting to prevent it from >> >> happening next year, it was REALLY loud (sounded like it was on our >> >> street >> >> and concerned about a new neighbor) >> >> This is said because I called about a car parked in my driveway for >> >> 3-4 >> > days >> >> prior to me calling the police on 5/5 and had to argue with the cop >> >> for >> >> 15 >> >> minutes as to why he didn't have time to write a ticket and order a >> >> tow >> >> because it was Cinco de Stratford and he didn't have time. He never >> >> did >> >> do >> >> anything but argue with me about how I was a bad neighbor to this car >> > owner >> >> with out of state plates. I also suggested that if the call had >> > originated >> >> from the gaslight the car would have been ticketed and towed without >> > having >> >> to contact me. >> >> My gaslight neighbor filed a complaint about a car parked on her >> >> street >> >> Friday and will follow up with her Monday. I will update as to >> >> whether >> > she >> >> had to argue with the Officer that shows up or if she even has to talk > to >> >> the Officer. >> >> I have heard from other neighbors that they are getting the same type >> >> attitude from local police. We complain for no reason and should > realize >> >> that we live in an area that should tolerate certain behaviors. Maybe > we >> >> need to make the media rather than the police aware of this party if > the >> >> majority think it's a burden on the neighborhood. The media is what > made >> > UC >> >> finally take responsibility for Cinco de Stratford, UC didn't take >> >> responsibility to prevent it, nor did the police until the media was >> >> involved. >> >> Regarding the "graffitti", I think it's highly unlikely that there are >> >> any >> >> gang members in the area. It's far more likely that some teenagers or >> >> pre-teens have a can of spray paint and too much unsupervised time on >> > their >> >> hands. The "tags" aren't gang signs, they are kids that are trying to >> >> emulate the graffitti artists that sign/tag their art but have no >> >> artistic >> >> capability. The graffitti artists do some great art (you can see some >> >> examples by George Fern or at the bottom of ravine, all approved by >> >> the >> >> property owners) then they "tag" (sign) their work. >> >> The gang members work in an entirely different mode but I don't think >> >> this >> >> neighborhood is getting tagged by gang members. The stuff that we are >> >> seeing is just "wannabe" artists, not gang members, as far as I can > see. >> >> >> >> If someone has different information, I think it would be good to >> >> bring >> > that >> >> up but I doubt that this area has gangs tagging. I believe it would >> >> be >> >> better to focus on actual threats because suggesting we have gang > members >> > in >> >> the neighborhood gives less credibility than we already have in this >> >> neighborhood. We all need to focus what are actual threats rather >> >> than >> >> calling the police and city council on unrealistic threats. >> >> >> >> I appreciate Therese starting this group and will try in the future to >> > make >> >> it to more meetings but, frankly, I didn't think my street was as much >> >> concern as Riddle. Therese lives on Riddle so, of course, that has > been >> > her >> >> focus. IThen again, why shouldn't it be? >> >> Aileen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "esrv.net" <ecereb@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> To: "Group:, UHNA" <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:38 PM >> >> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University >> > Heights >> >> group >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET >> >> > Message --------------- >> >> > >> >> > At about 2:10 am, I and my wife were also awoken by some rappers >> >> > yelling >> >> > as >> >> > loud as they could over the wall shaking boom, boom, booming. This >> > went >> >> > on >> >> > until about 2:45. During this time, my wife and I could not sleep, > so >> > we >> >> > had a conversation. It was more like a question and answer session >> >> > with >> >> > her >> >> > posing the questions. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > As most of you know, my wife is newly arrived from China, about a > year >> >> > ago. >> >> > Anyway, one of her questions was, "How come the police don't stop >> >> > this?" >> >> > I >> >> > guess, in China one does not mess with the police. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Anyway. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I would also like to respond to Casey's email. Yes, I have been lax > in >> > so >> >> > far as the meetings are concerned. This is partly because my >> >> > father >> >> > would >> >> > drag me to neighborhood meetings when I was a kid and saw nothing > being >> >> > accomplished. Also, when I lived in Dayton in two of the historic >> >> > districts, St Anne's and Sough Park, I did attend a lot of meetings >> > where >> >> > I >> >> > saw excruciating slow progress on issues. But, I did like These >> >> > meetings. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The reason the historic neighborhood meetings were interesting was: > not >> >> > only >> >> > did they talk about "The issues", but they also addressed old house >> >> > restoration and historic preservation. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > My final point is if we don't go, meet, and team up as a > neighborhood, >> >> > then >> >> > the city corporation will decide for us. As you know, the agenda of >> > city >> >> > government is all too clear. All one has to do is look at the > results >> > of >> >> > the last 30 years, the trends, and the outcomes. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > You-know, I really love my home. We love the neighborhood and we > love >> > you >> >> > the neighbors. I wish we could stay here until I retire and even > then >> >> > afterwards. Our house is world class and is paid for. The idea of >> >> > pulling >> >> > up roots and getting a nondescript, paper and balsawood, plastic >> > covered, >> >> > cracker box, burb ranch for $250,000 is.well.gut wrenching. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thank you for your time.and we will be at the next meeting. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Steve & Pei Lin Staubach >> >> > >> >> > www.steves.us <http://www.steves.us/> >> >> > >> >> > _____ >> >> > >> >> > From: Scullin, Casey [mailto:CScullin@xxxxxxxxx] >> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:21 PM >> >> > To: <you know who you are> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Over the past few months the attendance at the monthly University >> > Heights >> >> > Neighborhood Association has dropped. With everyone leading busy >> >> > lives, >> >> > it's understandable that this can happen. But it could also be that >> >> > the >> >> > topics and issues being addressed at the meetings are not of >> >> > interest >> > nor >> >> > meeting the needs of the group or neighborhood. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > With that said, would you please email Kathy Kessler at >> >> > Kathy.kessler@xxxxxxxxxx and provide her with feedback as to what >> >> > you >> >> > believe are the issues and topics the UHNA group should be > addressing. >> >> > Most >> >> > often, neighborhood groups focus on quality of life issues such as >> > litter >> >> > and safety, but are there some annual events (picnic, yard sale) the >> > group >> >> > could also work on? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Please drop Kathy an email. Thanks for your input. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- >> >> > > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > --- >> > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> --- > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- End --------------------------------------------------------------------