[UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights group
- From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 00:32:58 -0400
--- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message ---------------
Aileen,
The police will respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is
a real threat but
> certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel
threatened
> for no reason.
What is your point, FEEL THREATENED FOR NO REASON???
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights
group
> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
Message ---------------
>
> Buddy,
> I think you confused the intent of my message, the current tagging in our
> neighborhood is vandalism, no matter who is responsible. The intent of my
> message was to state that it is unlikely that it is being done by gang
> members or artists. I appreciate that you don't want the graffiti/artwork
> on your property and so do the people who actually get approval before
doing
> it. There is NOT any artwork is this neighborhood and, I am quite sure,
> nothing would be painted without being approved by property owners.
> This is vandalism here, but also sure it's not gang related. My message
was
> to try and assuage the fears of the neighborhood that it is gang related.
> Please keep calling the police if you see any minor painting but realize
> that the police will continue to disregard making an effort to get to this
> area if you continue to do so. They appear to think any call in this area
> is over reaction. Last night is a pretty good example that we deserve
this
> type activity of a toga party because we live in this area. The police
will
> respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is a real threat
but
> certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel
threatened
> for no reason.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:17 PM
> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
Heights
> group
>
>
> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> > Message ---------------
> >
> > Aileen2,
> >
> > I have lived in this neighborhood a long time and I don't care to see
the
> > graffitti, no matter how artistic it may be to some people. Yes, there
> > may
> > be a place for it on a designated wall in a neighborhood and that is
fine
> > if
> > that is what you want. I resent having to see residents property in the
> > neighborhood "tagged" and marked in such fashion. This so called
> > "expression" is not welcome. All it does is bring down the character of
> > where we live and if it is not removed in a timely fashion only brings
on
> > more markings. People from outside the neighborhood that see this might
> > think twice about moving here.
> >
> > I think my concerns are validated with city council. I also think there
> > is
> > nothing wrong with having a good time at a party, but not at someone
> > else's
> > expense in the wee hours of the morning. It is not acceptable wherever
> > you
> > live. Thank you.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:29 PM
> > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> > Heights
> > group
> >
> >
> >> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> > Message ---------------
> >>
> >> I've been trying to keep quiet about the reactions to what is going on
> > here
> >> lately but it is against my nature. Regarding the party last night,
the
> >> music certainly wasn't rap (I sort of resent the inference that it
was),
> > it
> >> was loud and annoying but more certainly a toga party, the music I
heard
> > was
> >> straight from the John Belushi movie "a little bit louder now" but
> > never
> >> got to the "a little bit softer now" I couldn't determine where it was
> >> coming from so didn't call the police but it was just coincidence that
I
> > was
> >> up at 1:30 and in my front room where I could hear it (on Foulke) I
> >> could
> >> go to the back room and go to sleep with no problem. Still unsure
where
> > the
> >> party was.
> >> I'm surprised that someone else knows the location of this party and
that
> > it
> >> is an annual event (I've lived here for 7 years and never heard the
party
> >> before, perhaps because I don't hear outside noises from my bedroom).
> > This
> >> sounds like a good discussion for a group meeting to prevent it from
> >> happening next year, it was REALLY loud (sounded like it was on our
> >> street
> >> and concerned about a new neighbor)
> >> This is said because I called about a car parked in my driveway for 3-4
> > days
> >> prior to me calling the police on 5/5 and had to argue with the cop for
> >> 15
> >> minutes as to why he didn't have time to write a ticket and order a tow
> >> because it was Cinco de Stratford and he didn't have time. He never did
> >> do
> >> anything but argue with me about how I was a bad neighbor to this car
> > owner
> >> with out of state plates. I also suggested that if the call had
> > originated
> >> from the gaslight the car would have been ticketed and towed without
> > having
> >> to contact me.
> >> My gaslight neighbor filed a complaint about a car parked on her street
> >> Friday and will follow up with her Monday. I will update as to whether
> > she
> >> had to argue with the Officer that shows up or if she even has to talk
to
> >> the Officer.
> >> I have heard from other neighbors that they are getting the same type
> >> attitude from local police. We complain for no reason and should
realize
> >> that we live in an area that should tolerate certain behaviors. Maybe
we
> >> need to make the media rather than the police aware of this party if
the
> >> majority think it's a burden on the neighborhood. The media is what
made
> > UC
> >> finally take responsibility for Cinco de Stratford, UC didn't take
> >> responsibility to prevent it, nor did the police until the media was
> >> involved.
> >> Regarding the "graffitti", I think it's highly unlikely that there are
> >> any
> >> gang members in the area. It's far more likely that some teenagers or
> >> pre-teens have a can of spray paint and too much unsupervised time on
> > their
> >> hands. The "tags" aren't gang signs, they are kids that are trying to
> >> emulate the graffitti artists that sign/tag their art but have no
> >> artistic
> >> capability. The graffitti artists do some great art (you can see some
> >> examples by George Fern or at the bottom of ravine, all approved by the
> >> property owners) then they "tag" (sign) their work.
> >> The gang members work in an entirely different mode but I don't think
> >> this
> >> neighborhood is getting tagged by gang members. The stuff that we are
> >> seeing is just "wannabe" artists, not gang members, as far as I can
see.
> >>
> >> If someone has different information, I think it would be good to bring
> > that
> >> up but I doubt that this area has gangs tagging. I believe it would be
> >> better to focus on actual threats because suggesting we have gang
members
> > in
> >> the neighborhood gives less credibility than we already have in this
> >> neighborhood. We all need to focus what are actual threats rather than
> >> calling the police and city council on unrealistic threats.
> >>
> >> I appreciate Therese starting this group and will try in the future to
> > make
> >> it to more meetings but, frankly, I didn't think my street was as much
> >> concern as Riddle. Therese lives on Riddle so, of course, that has
been
> > her
> >> focus. IThen again, why shouldn't it be?
> >> Aileen
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "esrv.net" <ecereb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: "Group:, UHNA" <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:38 PM
> >> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> > Heights
> >> group
> >>
> >>
> >> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> >> > Message ---------------
> >> >
> >> > At about 2:10 am, I and my wife were also awoken by some rappers
> >> > yelling
> >> > as
> >> > loud as they could over the wall shaking boom, boom, booming. This
> > went
> >> > on
> >> > until about 2:45. During this time, my wife and I could not sleep,
so
> > we
> >> > had a conversation. It was more like a question and answer session
> >> > with
> >> > her
> >> > posing the questions.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As most of you know, my wife is newly arrived from China, about a
year
> >> > ago.
> >> > Anyway, one of her questions was, "How come the police don't stop
> >> > this?"
> >> > I
> >> > guess, in China one does not mess with the police.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyway.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I would also like to respond to Casey's email. Yes, I have been lax
in
> > so
> >> > far as the meetings are concerned. This is partly because my father
> >> > would
> >> > drag me to neighborhood meetings when I was a kid and saw nothing
being
> >> > accomplished. Also, when I lived in Dayton in two of the historic
> >> > districts, St Anne's and Sough Park, I did attend a lot of meetings
> > where
> >> > I
> >> > saw excruciating slow progress on issues. But, I did like These
> >> > meetings.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The reason the historic neighborhood meetings were interesting was:
not
> >> > only
> >> > did they talk about "The issues", but they also addressed old house
> >> > restoration and historic preservation.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > My final point is if we don't go, meet, and team up as a
neighborhood,
> >> > then
> >> > the city corporation will decide for us. As you know, the agenda of
> > city
> >> > government is all too clear. All one has to do is look at the
results
> > of
> >> > the last 30 years, the trends, and the outcomes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You-know, I really love my home. We love the neighborhood and we
love
> > you
> >> > the neighbors. I wish we could stay here until I retire and even
then
> >> > afterwards. Our house is world class and is paid for. The idea of
> >> > pulling
> >> > up roots and getting a nondescript, paper and balsawood, plastic
> > covered,
> >> > cracker box, burb ranch for $250,000 is.well.gut wrenching.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for your time.and we will be at the next meeting.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Steve & Pei Lin Staubach
> >> >
> >> > www.steves.us <http://www.steves.us/>
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> >
> >> > From: Scullin, Casey [mailto:CScullin@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:21 PM
> >> > To: <you know who you are>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Over the past few months the attendance at the monthly University
> > Heights
> >> > Neighborhood Association has dropped. With everyone leading busy
> >> > lives,
> >> > it's understandable that this can happen. But it could also be that
> >> > the
> >> > topics and issues being addressed at the meetings are not of interest
> > nor
> >> > meeting the needs of the group or neighborhood.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > With that said, would you please email Kathy Kessler at
> >> > Kathy.kessler@xxxxxxxxxx and provide her with feedback as to what you
> >> > believe are the issues and topics the UHNA group should be
addressing.
> >> > Most
> >> > often, neighborhood groups focus on quality of life issues such as
> > litter
> >> > and safety, but are there some annual events (picnic, yard sale) the
> > group
> >> > could also work on?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Please drop Kathy an email. Thanks for your input.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---
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