[UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights group
- From: william DIss <wldiss@xxxxxxx>
- To: uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:15:11 -0400
--- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message ---------------
Aileen
I was the neighbor who approached you and the officer about the drunk
harassing the people across from the Riddle Road Market. I did overhear
a bit of what you were talking to the officer about when I approached,
but the urgency of the situation led me to interrupt. I had no idea the
the officer was arguing with you about having to even simply write a
ticket for a car that was causing a problem. He probably spent AT LEAST
5 and what seemed like 10 minutes more before as you said he was
persuaded by you to move on. This guy was in his mid-twentys, drunk,
upset, and loitering by and talking to young kids for over an hour
before he started harassing the residents of the house. The girls in
the Market were keeping an eye on him though and prompted me to get the
officer who I saw by your house. I waited by the corner to keep an eye
on the drunk guy by the market and when I tried to talk to the officer
to give him more info about what was going on, but the officer didnt
give me time to tell him that because he blew by me with his windows up
and didnt even acknowledge my presence. Why did he think I waited at
the corner for so long! Had I known what he said to you too Aileen
I would have even more upset than I already was. At least from what I
saw he was talking to the guy when I drove by some 15 minutes later,
but I dont know the results of that. ACK! A little public relations
goes a long way expecially after still feeling the sting of cutting a
check to cover my city taxes and seeing little results in return.
On an unrelated note, and not to sound paranoid, but has anyone else
noticed their cars fuel doors being tampered with? I have a new Honda
Element that for some reason got less than half the miles on a tank of
gas than it usually gets about three weeks ago. At around the same time
my other car had its locking fuel door pushed in and a neighbor had his
fuel door opened and left open. Could be a strange coincidence but I
just wanted to see if I need to get myself a locking gas cap now.
Thanks all
Lee Diss 3026 Marshall
P.S.
Keep up the e-mailing everyone- it (and attending the meetings) are a
great way to keep up with the local activities and problems.
On Saturday, May 14, 2005, at 09:49 PM, Aileen2 wrote:
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>
> This brings up even more about my experience with the Officer on 5/5.
> While
> he is arguing with me about why he doesn't have time to give the car
> blocking my driveway a ticket, a neighbor comes by and says there is a
> drunk
> harrassing a house across the street from the Riddle Road Market. I
> told
> the Officer that I thought it was more important for him to head up
> there
> (no idea which house was being harassed) the guy kept arguing with
> me. I
> finally demanded he leave to head up to the corner of Riddle and
> Marshall to
> deal with the issue.
> Can John offer what happened that night? Did the police officer that
> was at
> my house go there? Did the police officer that was off duty help the
> situation? How was it resolved?
> I don't think the Officer (city paid) helped John's neighbor but would
> like
> to hear if the privately paid Officer did help. If there was help
> from the
> privately paid Officer, I am more than happy to contribute to having
> them
> there.
> Aileen----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allen Wright" <awright440@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:21 PM
> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> Heights
> group
>
>
>> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
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>>
>> Group,
>>
>> After hearing on this list that John Ashton has taken it upon himself
>> (for his own self-interest, but it obviously helps the neighborhood as
>> well) to hire a night policeman, I spoke with John about it. He is in
>> fact paying more for the policeman than he pays for rent at the store.
>>
>> I wonder if it might not make sense for the Neighborhood Association
>> to
>> pledge some sort of monthly fund to help him pay for this officer? I
>> suppose we could individually help him out, but maybe an organized
>> effort, with everyone willing kicking in a small amount, could be
>> fairly easy to administer, and would assure him of something regular
>> to
>> help at least partially defray that expense.
>>
>> Maybe this goes beyond the agenda of the group. But I for one would
>> like to help John help the neighborhood. He thinks that criminal
>> elements are less apt to even come into the neighborhood since the
>> policeman is on duty.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Allen Wright
>> Taylor Avenue
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2005, at 07:29 PM, Aileen2 wrote:
>>
>>> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message
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>>> I've been trying to keep quiet about the reactions to what is going
>>> on
>>> here
>>> lately but it is against my nature. Regarding the party last night,
>>> the
>>> music certainly wasn't rap (I sort of resent the inference that it
>>> was), it
>>> was loud and annoying but more certainly a toga party, the music I
>>> heard was
>>> straight from the John Belushi movie "a little bit louder now" but
>>> never
>>> got to the "a little bit softer now" I couldn't determine where it
>>> was
>>> coming from so didn't call the police but it was just coincidence
>>> that
>>> I was
>>> up at 1:30 and in my front room where I could hear it (on Foulke) I
>>> could
>>> go to the back room and go to sleep with no problem. Still unsure
>>> where the
>>> party was.
>>> I'm surprised that someone else knows the location of this party and
>>> that it
>>> is an annual event (I've lived here for 7 years and never heard the
>>> party
>>> before, perhaps because I don't hear outside noises from my bedroom).
>>> This
>>> sounds like a good discussion for a group meeting to prevent it from
>>> happening next year, it was REALLY loud (sounded like it was on our
>>> street
>>> and concerned about a new neighbor)
>>> This is said because I called about a car parked in my driveway for
>>> 3-4 days
>>> prior to me calling the police on 5/5 and had to argue with the cop
>>> for 15
>>> minutes as to why he didn't have time to write a ticket and order a
>>> tow
>>> because it was Cinco de Stratford and he didn't have time. He never
>>> did do
>>> anything but argue with me about how I was a bad neighbor to this car
>>> owner
>>> with out of state plates. I also suggested that if the call had
>>> originated
>>> from the gaslight the car would have been ticketed and towed without
>>> having
>>> to contact me.
>>> My gaslight neighbor filed a complaint about a car parked on her
>>> street
>>> Friday and will follow up with her Monday. I will update as to
>>> whether she
>>> had to argue with the Officer that shows up or if she even has to
>>> talk
>>> to
>>> the Officer.
>>> I have heard from other neighbors that they are getting the same type
>>> attitude from local police. We complain for no reason and should
>>> realize
>>> that we live in an area that should tolerate certain behaviors.
>>> Maybe
>>> we
>>> need to make the media rather than the police aware of this party if
>>> the
>>> majority think it's a burden on the neighborhood. The media is what
>>> made UC
>>> finally take responsibility for Cinco de Stratford, UC didn't take
>>> responsibility to prevent it, nor did the police until the media was
>>> involved.
>>> Regarding the "graffitti", I think it's highly unlikely that there
>>> are
>>> any
>>> gang members in the area. It's far more likely that some teenagers
>>> or
>>> pre-teens have a can of spray paint and too much unsupervised time on
>>> their
>>> hands. The "tags" aren't gang signs, they are kids that are trying
>>> to
>>> emulate the graffitti artists that sign/tag their art but have no
>>> artistic
>>> capability. The graffitti artists do some great art (you can see
>>> some
>>> examples by George Fern or at the bottom of ravine, all approved by
>>> the
>>> property owners) then they "tag" (sign) their work.
>>> The gang members work in an entirely different mode but I don't think
>>> this
>>> neighborhood is getting tagged by gang members. The stuff that we
>>> are
>>> seeing is just "wannabe" artists, not gang members, as far as I can
>>> see.
>>>
>>> If someone has different information, I think it would be good to
>>> bring that
>>> up but I doubt that this area has gangs tagging. I believe it would
>>> be
>>> better to focus on actual threats because suggesting we have gang
>>> members in
>>> the neighborhood gives less credibility than we already have in this
>>> neighborhood. We all need to focus what are actual threats rather
>>> than
>>> calling the police and city council on unrealistic threats.
>>>
>>> I appreciate Therese starting this group and will try in the future
>>> to
>>> make
>>> it to more meetings but, frankly, I didn't think my street was as
>>> much
>>> concern as Riddle. Therese lives on Riddle so, of course, that has
>>> been her
>>> focus. IThen again, why shouldn't it be?
>>> Aileen
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "esrv.net" <ecereb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Group:, UHNA" <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
>>> Heights
>>> group
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
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>>>>
>>>> At about 2:10 am, I and my wife were also awoken by some rappers
>>>> yelling
>>>> as
>>>> loud as they could over the wall shaking boom, boom, booming. This
>>>> went
>>>> on
>>>> until about 2:45. During this time, my wife and I could not sleep,
>>>> so we
>>>> had a conversation. It was more like a question and answer session
>>>> with
>>>> her
>>>> posing the questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As most of you know, my wife is newly arrived from China, about a
>>>> year
>>>> ago.
>>>> Anyway, one of her questions was, "How come the police don't stop
>>>> this?"
>>>> I
>>>> guess, in China one does not mess with the police.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to respond to Casey's email. Yes, I have been lax
>>>> in so
>>>> far as the meetings are concerned. This is partly because my
>>>> father
>>>> would
>>>> drag me to neighborhood meetings when I was a kid and saw nothing
>>>> being
>>>> accomplished. Also, when I lived in Dayton in two of the historic
>>>> districts, St Anne's and Sough Park, I did attend a lot of meetings
>>>> where
>>>> I
>>>> saw excruciating slow progress on issues. But, I did like These
>>>> meetings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The reason the historic neighborhood meetings were interesting was:
>>>> not
>>>> only
>>>> did they talk about "The issues", but they also addressed old house
>>>> restoration and historic preservation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My final point is if we don't go, meet, and team up as a
>>>> neighborhood,
>>>> then
>>>> the city corporation will decide for us. As you know, the agenda of
>>>> city
>>>> government is all too clear. All one has to do is look at the
>>>> results of
>>>> the last 30 years, the trends, and the outcomes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You-know, I really love my home. We love the neighborhood and we
>>>> love you
>>>> the neighbors. I wish we could stay here until I retire and even
>>>> then
>>>> afterwards. Our house is world class and is paid for. The idea of
>>>> pulling
>>>> up roots and getting a nondescript, paper and balsawood, plastic
>>>> covered,
>>>> cracker box, burb ranch for $250,000 is.well.gut wrenching.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your time.and we will be at the next meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve & Pei Lin Staubach
>>>>
>>>> www.steves.us <http://www.steves.us/>
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>> From: Scullin, Casey [mailto:CScullin@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:21 PM
>>>> To: <you know who you are>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Over the past few months the attendance at the monthly University
>>>> Heights
>>>> Neighborhood Association has dropped. With everyone leading busy
>>>> lives,
>>>> it's understandable that this can happen. But it could also be that
>>>> the
>>>> topics and issues being addressed at the meetings are not of
>>>> interest
>>>> nor
>>>> meeting the needs of the group or neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With that said, would you please email Kathy Kessler at
>>>> Kathy.kessler@xxxxxxxxxx and provide her with feedback as to what
>>>> you
>>>> believe are the issues and topics the UHNA group should be
>>>> addressing.
>>>> Most
>>>> often, neighborhood groups focus on quality of life issues such as
>>>> litter
>>>> and safety, but are there some annual events (picnic, yard sale) the
>>>> group
>>>> could also work on?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please drop Kathy an email. Thanks for your input.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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