[UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights group
- From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:38:04 -0400
--- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message ---------------
And my reply to you is.....................the people in Price Hill felt the
same way years ago.
There are signs that there MAY be this sort of activity going on and I am
concerned. For your information, I have never called the police on
graffitti. Yes, I have met with David Pepper personally and have discussed
situations that have happened in our neighborhood. Yes, I have been told to
call the police by the police themselves any time I see any sort of
suspicious activity. I will tell you right now there are safety in numbers
and our voices are being heard.
Thank you very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 5:44 PM
Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights
group
> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
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>
> Reporting that there is gang activity in the neighborhod when there is no
> apparent basis for the report.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 12:32 AM
> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
Heights
> group
>
>
> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> > Message ---------------
> >
> > Aileen,
> >
> > The police will respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there
> > is
> > a real threat but
> >> certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel
> > threatened
> >> for no reason.
> >
> > What is your point, FEEL THREATENED FOR NO REASON???
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:32 PM
> > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> > Heights
> > group
> >
> >
> >> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> > Message ---------------
> >>
> >> Buddy,
> >> I think you confused the intent of my message, the current tagging in
our
> >> neighborhood is vandalism, no matter who is responsible. The intent of
> >> my
> >> message was to state that it is unlikely that it is being done by gang
> >> members or artists. I appreciate that you don't want the
> >> graffiti/artwork
> >> on your property and so do the people who actually get approval before
> > doing
> >> it. There is NOT any artwork is this neighborhood and, I am quite
sure,
> >> nothing would be painted without being approved by property owners.
> >> This is vandalism here, but also sure it's not gang related. My
message
> > was
> >> to try and assuage the fears of the neighborhood that it is gang
related.
> >> Please keep calling the police if you see any minor painting but
realize
> >> that the police will continue to disregard making an effort to get to
> >> this
> >> area if you continue to do so. They appear to think any call in this
> >> area
> >> is over reaction. Last night is a pretty good example that we deserve
> > this
> >> type activity of a toga party because we live in this area. The police
> > will
> >> respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is a real
threat
> > but
> >> certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel
> > threatened
> >> for no reason.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:17 PM
> >> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> > Heights
> >> group
> >>
> >>
> >> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> >> > Message ---------------
> >> >
> >> > Aileen2,
> >> >
> >> > I have lived in this neighborhood a long time and I don't care to see
> > the
> >> > graffitti, no matter how artistic it may be to some people. Yes,
there
> >> > may
> >> > be a place for it on a designated wall in a neighborhood and that is
> > fine
> >> > if
> >> > that is what you want. I resent having to see residents property in
> >> > the
> >> > neighborhood "tagged" and marked in such fashion. This so called
> >> > "expression" is not welcome. All it does is bring down the character
of
> >> > where we live and if it is not removed in a timely fashion only
brings
> > on
> >> > more markings. People from outside the neighborhood that see this
> >> > might
> >> > think twice about moving here.
> >> >
> >> > I think my concerns are validated with city council. I also think
> >> > there
> >> > is
> >> > nothing wrong with having a good time at a party, but not at someone
> >> > else's
> >> > expense in the wee hours of the morning. It is not acceptable
wherever
> >> > you
> >> > live. Thank you.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:29 PM
> >> > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> >> > Heights
> >> > group
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> >> > Message ---------------
> >> >>
> >> >> I've been trying to keep quiet about the reactions to what is going
on
> >> > here
> >> >> lately but it is against my nature. Regarding the party last night,
> > the
> >> >> music certainly wasn't rap (I sort of resent the inference that it
> > was),
> >> > it
> >> >> was loud and annoying but more certainly a toga party, the music I
> > heard
> >> > was
> >> >> straight from the John Belushi movie "a little bit louder now"
but
> >> > never
> >> >> got to the "a little bit softer now" I couldn't determine where it
> >> >> was
> >> >> coming from so didn't call the police but it was just coincidence
that
> > I
> >> > was
> >> >> up at 1:30 and in my front room where I could hear it (on Foulke) I
> >> >> could
> >> >> go to the back room and go to sleep with no problem. Still unsure
> > where
> >> > the
> >> >> party was.
> >> >> I'm surprised that someone else knows the location of this party and
> > that
> >> > it
> >> >> is an annual event (I've lived here for 7 years and never heard the
> > party
> >> >> before, perhaps because I don't hear outside noises from my
bedroom).
> >> > This
> >> >> sounds like a good discussion for a group meeting to prevent it from
> >> >> happening next year, it was REALLY loud (sounded like it was on our
> >> >> street
> >> >> and concerned about a new neighbor)
> >> >> This is said because I called about a car parked in my driveway for
> >> >> 3-4
> >> > days
> >> >> prior to me calling the police on 5/5 and had to argue with the cop
> >> >> for
> >> >> 15
> >> >> minutes as to why he didn't have time to write a ticket and order a
> >> >> tow
> >> >> because it was Cinco de Stratford and he didn't have time. He never
> >> >> did
> >> >> do
> >> >> anything but argue with me about how I was a bad neighbor to this
car
> >> > owner
> >> >> with out of state plates. I also suggested that if the call had
> >> > originated
> >> >> from the gaslight the car would have been ticketed and towed without
> >> > having
> >> >> to contact me.
> >> >> My gaslight neighbor filed a complaint about a car parked on her
> >> >> street
> >> >> Friday and will follow up with her Monday. I will update as to
> >> >> whether
> >> > she
> >> >> had to argue with the Officer that shows up or if she even has to
talk
> > to
> >> >> the Officer.
> >> >> I have heard from other neighbors that they are getting the same
type
> >> >> attitude from local police. We complain for no reason and should
> > realize
> >> >> that we live in an area that should tolerate certain behaviors.
Maybe
> > we
> >> >> need to make the media rather than the police aware of this party if
> > the
> >> >> majority think it's a burden on the neighborhood. The media is what
> > made
> >> > UC
> >> >> finally take responsibility for Cinco de Stratford, UC didn't take
> >> >> responsibility to prevent it, nor did the police until the media was
> >> >> involved.
> >> >> Regarding the "graffitti", I think it's highly unlikely that there
are
> >> >> any
> >> >> gang members in the area. It's far more likely that some teenagers
or
> >> >> pre-teens have a can of spray paint and too much unsupervised time
on
> >> > their
> >> >> hands. The "tags" aren't gang signs, they are kids that are trying
to
> >> >> emulate the graffitti artists that sign/tag their art but have no
> >> >> artistic
> >> >> capability. The graffitti artists do some great art (you can see
some
> >> >> examples by George Fern or at the bottom of ravine, all approved by
> >> >> the
> >> >> property owners) then they "tag" (sign) their work.
> >> >> The gang members work in an entirely different mode but I don't
think
> >> >> this
> >> >> neighborhood is getting tagged by gang members. The stuff that we
are
> >> >> seeing is just "wannabe" artists, not gang members, as far as I can
> > see.
> >> >>
> >> >> If someone has different information, I think it would be good to
> >> >> bring
> >> > that
> >> >> up but I doubt that this area has gangs tagging. I believe it would
> >> >> be
> >> >> better to focus on actual threats because suggesting we have gang
> > members
> >> > in
> >> >> the neighborhood gives less credibility than we already have in this
> >> >> neighborhood. We all need to focus what are actual threats rather
> >> >> than
> >> >> calling the police and city council on unrealistic threats.
> >> >>
> >> >> I appreciate Therese starting this group and will try in the future
to
> >> > make
> >> >> it to more meetings but, frankly, I didn't think my street was as
much
> >> >> concern as Riddle. Therese lives on Riddle so, of course, that has
> > been
> >> > her
> >> >> focus. IThen again, why shouldn't it be?
> >> >> Aileen
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "esrv.net" <ecereb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: "Group:, UHNA" <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:38 PM
> >> >> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> >> > Heights
> >> >> group
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> >> >> > Message ---------------
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At about 2:10 am, I and my wife were also awoken by some rappers
> >> >> > yelling
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > loud as they could over the wall shaking boom, boom, booming.
This
> >> > went
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > until about 2:45. During this time, my wife and I could not
sleep,
> > so
> >> > we
> >> >> > had a conversation. It was more like a question and answer
session
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > her
> >> >> > posing the questions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As most of you know, my wife is newly arrived from China, about a
> > year
> >> >> > ago.
> >> >> > Anyway, one of her questions was, "How come the police don't stop
> >> >> > this?"
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > guess, in China one does not mess with the police.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyway.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would also like to respond to Casey's email. Yes, I have been
lax
> > in
> >> > so
> >> >> > far as the meetings are concerned. This is partly because my
> >> >> > father
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > drag me to neighborhood meetings when I was a kid and saw nothing
> > being
> >> >> > accomplished. Also, when I lived in Dayton in two of the historic
> >> >> > districts, St Anne's and Sough Park, I did attend a lot of
meetings
> >> > where
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > saw excruciating slow progress on issues. But, I did like These
> >> >> > meetings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The reason the historic neighborhood meetings were interesting
was:
> > not
> >> >> > only
> >> >> > did they talk about "The issues", but they also addressed old
house
> >> >> > restoration and historic preservation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My final point is if we don't go, meet, and team up as a
> > neighborhood,
> >> >> > then
> >> >> > the city corporation will decide for us. As you know, the agenda
of
> >> > city
> >> >> > government is all too clear. All one has to do is look at the
> > results
> >> > of
> >> >> > the last 30 years, the trends, and the outcomes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You-know, I really love my home. We love the neighborhood and we
> > love
> >> > you
> >> >> > the neighbors. I wish we could stay here until I retire and even
> > then
> >> >> > afterwards. Our house is world class and is paid for. The idea
of
> >> >> > pulling
> >> >> > up roots and getting a nondescript, paper and balsawood, plastic
> >> > covered,
> >> >> > cracker box, burb ranch for $250,000 is.well.gut wrenching.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you for your time.and we will be at the next meeting.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Steve & Pei Lin Staubach
> >> >> >
> >> >> > www.steves.us <http://www.steves.us/>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _____
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: Scullin, Casey [mailto:CScullin@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:21 PM
> >> >> > To: <you know who you are>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Over the past few months the attendance at the monthly University
> >> > Heights
> >> >> > Neighborhood Association has dropped. With everyone leading busy
> >> >> > lives,
> >> >> > it's understandable that this can happen. But it could also be
that
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > topics and issues being addressed at the meetings are not of
> >> >> > interest
> >> > nor
> >> >> > meeting the needs of the group or neighborhood.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With that said, would you please email Kathy Kessler at
> >> >> > Kathy.kessler@xxxxxxxxxx and provide her with feedback as to what
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > believe are the issues and topics the UHNA group should be
> > addressing.
> >> >> > Most
> >> >> > often, neighborhood groups focus on quality of life issues such as
> >> > litter
> >> >> > and safety, but are there some annual events (picnic, yard sale)
the
> >> > group
> >> >> > could also work on?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please drop Kathy an email. Thanks for your input.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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