I have no time to reply to this today as it will be a lengthy email and I am VERY busy at work this whole week. So, I will respond later this week (Friday) or this weekend. Sorry, but my company is trying to put a product on the market and I have TONS of stuff to do. Please do not take this personal as I feel this is an important issue that needs to be discussed. Maktiga Nicole -----Original Message----- From: trh-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:trh-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olden Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:47 AM To: Red Hand Mailing List Subject: [trh] Can we talk? Ok...how about RvR night? Good morning Red Hand !!! Sounds like last night turned out pretty good once Natt and I left. *smile* I would like to discuss, using this mailing list, the topic of "big" events like last night and what we could do to perhaps improve the mechanics and/or logistics. Hehe, and I also just want to see how easy it is to exchange ideas about a topic via this tool. After I logged last night I thought about the evening, and realized something. From 8 PM until I logged at 9:53 PM, we were actually in the frontier for RvR for 42 minutes (2 trips). Let me put that another way: Total time: 113 minutes RvR: 42 minutes (37% of the time) Preparing/waiting/regrouping: 71 minutes (63% of the time) It seems to me we can/should do better. I don't have all the answers, but I have plenty of suggestions. :) 1. We should encourage everyone to camp at the portal the night before. It just makes no sense to wait for people who are riding from Gna. I believe this is part of the alliance rules/suggestions. 2. Our alliance is so large now, it is too much for one person to lead, make groups, invite to group chat, answer questions. I would suggest that the event leader do just that: lead. Another person should do nothing but handle the invites to group chat. And I think we should have another person to make the groups. This person should stand away from the crowd, and when people arrive they go to this individual first and get their assignments. This also means that all group leaders should be there BEFORE the start time. 3. For almost every event except perhaps keep raids, we should leave on time. Ok, I know everyone has different ideas about this. And you see it in real life. Some people are never on time, and don't see what the fuss is about. Others are always on time, and don't understand why everyone else can't be punctual too. Hehe, some couples fight about this all the time. But regardless of your personal feelings, we have to do better than 40 minutes, which is about what it was last might before we actually walked out of the keep into the frontier. 4. My suggestion for point #3 is this: the person who is making groups is there early enough to be sure to have everyone present assigned to a group by start time. Then the leader, who has not been burdened with other tasks, starts the event with who is there. No ifs, ands, or buts. And the person assigning groups remains at the start point. Yeah, this will be hard, but I will volunteer to do this if no one else will . 5. As people arrive late, the group leader forms new groups and gets them ready for joining the main group as soon as possible. This means the event leader is not trying to run through the frontier and be putting people in groups at the same time. It is just too demanding a task and slows the event down. Once the raid group leaves the keep, they should not be worrying about anyone else but remain focused on the raid. This is why one person has to remain behind to take care of late comers. 6. If this is an RvR event, the leader should try to get the first group into action as soon as possible. The reason for this is so that those waiting will not have to wait longer than necessary to join the main group. Sooner or later, we usually get a wipe, and then everyone heads back and the waiting groups join in. Note: they are all ready and nothing has to be done except just have them jump in. In the event that we are too awesome for everyone we meet in RvR, we can plan to swing back at a specific time and get the new groups that way. Either way, the person in charge of group assignments would join in with the second wave of folks. 7. Everyone should bind at Hug. Now, I know that Hag might be closer for those that have speed, but if we all wipe and all are bound at Hug, we will all arrive back at the portal within a minute or two of each other, and we will not have the problem with some groups being split and having to wait. 8. Anyone that comes after the second group of folks join in, would give a tell to the person doing group assignments and they would decide the best action based on the current situation. If this could be done, in those 40 minutes we waited last night, we could have perhaps gotten several battles in, even with a wipe on the first one. One thing we learned this weekend is that a small group can get into fights quickly and have many opportunities for fighting. Ok, reply to this email and lets talk about it. Honestly, in my days of playing EQ and AO, I never saw these kinds of delay. I don't think the game inherently causes these problems, so lets see what steps we can take to be better stewards of everyone's time. Olden