[THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET

You needn't necessarily do the *whole* sequence thing - you may be able
to start with what you've got and add other things to it.

Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> Sent: 13 July 2005 18:46
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> 
> How does it deal with controls - if you need to add a new 
> third-party control, do you go back and re-sequence it, since 
> this is considered part of the environment?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Mangan
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:56 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > 
> > Not deploy, but I did sequence it and test it under SoftGrid and it 
> > worked great.
> > 
> > tim
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:38 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > 
> > If I needed to support more developers, or deploy the app on 
> > general-use servers, I probably would opt for the softricity route.
> > 
> > Has anyone used Softricity to deploy vs.net?
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:53 AM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > 
> > > For something like this virtualising or isolating the apps
> > is almost
> > > certainly a requirement (see: Softgrid or app isolation
> > environments
> > > in PS4), and performance optimisation software (tscale, armtech, 
> > > appsense).
> > > 
> > > Neil
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> > > > Sent: 13 July 2005 16:09
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > > 
> > > > I run a server with this for a development team of 
> about 16, but 
> > > > rarely do we see more than 4-6 users at a time. I saw 
> performance 
> > > > degradation when I had 10 users compile a large app at the
> > > same time,
> > > > but its been pretty stable and that useage pattern isn't
> > > normal, so I
> > > > would feel pretty confident putting 20 or so users on 
> there doing 
> > > > normal development, anything more and things may get 
> interesting 
> > > > because the IDE is very inefficient for running apps.
> > > > 
> > > > I would strongly recommend, if you plan on pushing it to 20
> > > users and
> > > > beyond, that you use a CPU and/or memory optimization
> > package like
> > > > tscale or armtech because your developers will starve each
> > > other and
> > > > the OS.
> > > > 
> > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/academic/techdown/techprod/netframew
> > > > ork/devsys
> > > > /devsysws03/default.aspx is a link to a bunch of stuff
> > about doing
> > > > just this.
> > > > 
> > > > Permissions can be hard - for some tasks (debugging
> > asp.net apps in
> > > > IIS5) they need to be local admins (whidbey is supposed
> > to fix this
> > > > problem). I simply use a runas and set up a local admin
> > > which they run
> > > > the app as once they log in if they need to do this. When
> > I migrate
> > > > this to Win2k3, I can use II6 which allows me to give each
> > > developer
> > > > their own app pool which runs as them, and then they 
> can debug to 
> > > > their hearts content.
> > > > 
> > > > Sysinternals is crucial since when they aren't running as
> > > local admin
> > > > they still need extra perms to HKCR, et al.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, and take images a lot, since at some point a third
> > > party control
> > > > will get installed that will fuxor everything.
> > > > 
> > > > SourceSafe (I assume that's what you mean) was very 
> easy and runs 
> > > > great.
> > > > VS.NET is tougher, but as long as you are willing to spend
> > > some time
> > > > tweaking registry permissions and take steps to control
> > > changes (third
> > > > party control installation etc.) it can be pretty stable.


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