[THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
- From: "Braebaum, Neil" <Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:54:19 +0100
Bandwidth.
Depending on your development environment, you may not be able to afford
the bandwidth require to site X number of developers Y number of miles
away from your datacenter / main infrastructure. However, you may well
be able to afford the fraction in bandwidth required that a thin client
will require, compared with a fat client.
Say if they are in another country, or quite a distance away from your
infrastructure.
As to the server stability, well virtualisation and application
management software should mean your OS is not compromised.
And as to the kind of server, well clearly you wouldn't mix this sort of
load / activity, with servers supporting normal desktop apps.
The devil drives when needs must...
Sometimes you don't have a choice, and there is only one other solution,
weighed up against astronomical costs.
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: 13 July 2005 17:43
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
>
> I'm genuinely curious. Why would you use TS/MF to deploy
> Visual Studio? It boggles my imagination what those
> developers could be doing to the server. Call me old school,
> but I would rather developers mess with their own machines
> than mess with one of mine in that way. Seriously, one dumb
> developer or one badly compiled program and everyone on the
> server is now not working. Just doesn't seem very prudent.
>
> Jeff Pitsch
>
>
> On 7/13/05, Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > If I needed to support more developers, or deploy the app on
> > general-use servers, I probably would opt for the softricity route.
> >
> > Has anyone used Softricity to deploy vs.net?
> >
> > --
> > Henry Sieff
> > Network Engineer
> > ph. 504-620-3420
> > mob. 504-931-4638
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:53 AM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > >
> > > For something like this virtualising or isolating the
> apps is almost
> > > certainly a requirement (see: Softgrid or app isolation
> environments
> > > in PS4), and performance optimisation software (tscale, armtech,
> > > appsense).
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> > > > Sent: 13 July 2005 16:09
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Visual Studio .NET
> > > >
> > > > I run a server with this for a development team of
> about 16, but
> > > > rarely do we see more than 4-6 users at a time. I saw
> performance
> > > > degradation when I had 10 users compile a large app at the
> > > same time,
> > > > but its been pretty stable and that useage pattern isn't
> > > normal, so I
> > > > would feel pretty confident putting 20 or so users on
> there doing
> > > > normal development, anything more and things may get
> interesting
> > > > because the IDE is very inefficient for running apps.
> > > >
> > > > I would strongly recommend, if you plan on pushing it to 20
> > > users and
> > > > beyond, that you use a CPU and/or memory optimization
> package like
> > > > tscale or armtech because your developers will starve each
> > > other and
> > > > the OS.
> > > >
> > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/academic/techdown/techprod/netframew
> > > > ork/devsys
> > > > /devsysws03/default.aspx is a link to a bunch of stuff
> about doing
> > > > just this.
> > > >
> > > > Permissions can be hard - for some tasks (debugging
> asp.net apps
> > > > in
> > > > IIS5) they need to be local admins (whidbey is supposed to fix
> > > > this problem). I simply use a runas and set up a local admin
> > > which they run
> > > > the app as once they log in if they need to do this. When I
> > > > migrate this to Win2k3, I can use II6 which allows me
> to give each
> > > developer
> > > > their own app pool which runs as them, and then they
> can debug to
> > > > their hearts content.
> > > >
> > > > Sysinternals is crucial since when they aren't running as
> > > local admin
> > > > they still need extra perms to HKCR, et al.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and take images a lot, since at some point a third
> > > party control
> > > > will get installed that will fuxor everything.
> > > >
> > > > SourceSafe (I assume that's what you mean) was very
> easy and runs
> > > > great.
> > > > VS.NET is tougher, but as long as you are willing to spend
> > > some time
> > > > tweaking registry permissions and take steps to control
> > > changes (third
> > > > party control installation etc.) it can be pretty stable.
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