Dennis, couldn't agree with you more. 6 months ago I had no interest. 2.1, ESX, Vmotion, etc. was what drew our attention. I am extremely interested in the disaster recover aspects of this. Between this and some things we are working on with the SAN, I hope to recover us in hours instead of days as we move forward. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Parker, Dennis Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:49 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX testing My user base isn't that large, so I am going to spread the load over more hardware by using ESX. I plan to use dual proc systems, but only dedicate one proc to Citrix and the other to smaller, low use systems. In the long run I will save $ hardware costs, not to mention the recoverability aspects of VMs opposed to real hardware. I'm not advocating one solution over another in any other environment, this is just what seems to make for mine. I didn't agree with this solution just 6 months ago, but with ESX 2.1 and Virtual Center, I can see real benefits. I'm glad others have seen some benefit from my post as well. At least I know I'm not alone in looking at this. Sorry, I don't have pricing info, I haven't been involved in that yet...I just install and make it work. Dennis Parker, MCSE, CCA Senior Systems Analyst Fiserv EFT 4550 SW Macadam Ave, Ste 100 Portland, Or. 97239 Direct: 503-274-6785 Fax: 503-274-6619 This e-mail is confidential and may well be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. To do so could violate state and Federal privacy laws. Thank you for your cooperation. Please contact me if you need assistance. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:36 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX testing We get 60 users running Office 2000/Outlook on our 700 mhz dl380's with 4 gig of ram (they are quads of course though) Seems to me that for the price of ram or an extra processor you could get more users for the same amount that you pay for vmware.... JK -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Parker, Dennis Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:24 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] VMWare ESX testing Just thought I would share this with the list. I have been testing VMWare ESX and Citrix MetaFrame. For those that are interested, I have a Citrix server running on a Windows Server 2003. Citrix has the Citrix Server Testing Kit (CSTK) that I have up and running. Using this kit, I have been able to simulate connections to this server. Here are the results: --- All references to Office Products mean Office 2000. These tests may not exactly equate to real world work because all connections are performing work all the time, nobody ever takes a break or sits and reads the latest joke in email. --- 128M RAM - Single 3ghz processor - no hyper-threading enabled in the VM 13 users running Excel, Word and administrative apps (Command prompt, terminal services admin, task manager, etc) before they started having issues. (RAM was the bottleneck) 512M RAM - Single 3ghz processor - no hyper-threading enabled in the VM 23 total user connections before issues 15 users running Excel, Word and administrative apps 8 users running Excel and Access (Processor was the bottleneck) 512M RAM - Single 3ghz processor - hyper-threading enabled in the VM 30 total connections with no issues - probably could get more but I didn't have it configured 20 users running Excel, Word and administrative apps 10 users running Excel and Access (Processor was the bottleneck) -- ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - RTO Software / TScale What's keeping you from getting more from your terminal servers? Did you know, in most cases, CPU Utilization IS NOT the single biggest constraint to scaling up?! Get this free white paper to understand the real constraints & how to overcome them. 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