I think the motivation is that we don't want to standardize our applications with Citrix because MS is closing the gap with the feature set that our requirements demand. It's very possible that when we look at cost and feature sets that MS may win this battle. Softricity will allow us to deploy our applications regardless of who wins. It also allows to take advantage of this technology on our remaining fat clients. We are on MPS 4.0 and to be truthful with you AIE was a major pain for us for a number of reason but mainly replicating AIE in our environment and many inconsistencies that could not be explained. Sequencing Apps has been in my opinion a very straight forward and simple process. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:42 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Softricity What about vista makes Citrix irrelevant? Citrix will be coming out with their own version of Softgrid soon (For TS and Fat Clients alike). This includes a better deliver mechanism (AIE had none) for delivering the application. Also, what is your purpose in virtualizing the applications? Is it because of delivery? Application conflicts? Softgrid is the best of breed... And even when Citrix comes out with their version, Citrix will have to go through the whole learning curve on what it means to isolate the applications. One of the drawbacks we found with Softgrid is it Isolates the application too much and the lack of management tools (Managing user profile/cache size is non-existance) AIE suffers from lack of deployment tools as well as the profile issue. It isolates too much in some areas and not enough in others. I like that AIE can redirect, not just isolate the files/folders and you can choose to install the application normal and run it isolated, or you can install it in an isolated environment. Which were you trying with IM? Either way, prepare get into it pretty deep. Troubleshooting and gettings things working can get pretty technical and required an indepth understanding of what softgrid/AIE can/cannot do. Joe On 3/8/06, Charles Watts <greg.watts@xxxxxxxx> wrote: We have been evaluating Softricity in our TS environment and basically really like the idea of Virtualizing our applications. We have tested about a dozen apps and with a little tweaking seem to be working fine. We have looked at AIE from Citrix but had a bunch of problems especially coming up with packages that would need to be deployed via IM. Plus with Vista we might be closer to not using Citrix so we are not leaning towards making Citrix our Application Virtualization standard. I just wanted to know before we make the final investment with Softricity If anyone else is using it and what have been your experiences. Good ? Bad? It sucks? What apps will not work? Best practices? Thanks, Greg Watts GTSI Corp. 202-231-8055