When you say " a single x345 can easily handle 30 users like you = described" you are talking about the server with the specs I provided = right? Dual processor, 1GB memory, 36GB drive? Or are you talking = about a single processor system? I'd imagine a single processor server = would only be good for 15-20 users... ? Also, You're right about the x335 (or x330). I missed that. The x345 = is unnecessary in my environment so I'll drop it down to a x335 and save = some pennies. Jesse Rink Network Engineer Whitnall School District 414-525-8461 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Greg Reese [mailto:GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:54 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations a single x345 can easily handle 30 users like you described. 2 would = =3D just be that much better. I use the x330 for terminal servers which is about half as powerful as a = =3D 345 and I can get about 45 users on each one. that is running office, = =3D internet, email and some custom apps. You should be more than ok with that hardware setup for what you want to = =3D do. The x345 is a monster of a server. it could probably handle over = =3D 50 users with ease. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rink, Jesse [mailto:JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:48 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Server recommendations Looking for some feedback here. I worked a lot with load balanced farms = =3D and NFuse in the past with Winframe and Metaframe 1.8, but I haven't =3D used Citrix/TS in about 2 years so I'm kinda rusty. XP wasn't even =3D available when I was managing my Citrix servers so I'm clueless when it = =3D comes to XP. That being said, be nice to me, haha. =3D20 I'm currently considering updating one of our computer labs (in the high = =3D school) which has older PII machines. The original thought was to buy = =3D brand new PCs but I'm starting to reconsider and thinking about going = =3D Citrix (or maybe just terminal services) and re-using the old PCs. The = =3D older PII machines should be enough to work as thin clients. The PCs = =3D are mainly used to surf the internet (IE), Office XP (mainly Word, =3D Publisher, Power Point), a speech program, and a CAD program. =3D20 =3D20 I was tentatively looking at using Citrix XP with load balancing for the = =3D lab. (2) IBM x345 servers with dual 2GHz processors, 1GB memory, and a = =3D single 36GB drive. I've always been under the theory that when you use = =3D Citrix load balancing, it's more cost effective to NOT stock your =3D servers with redundant power supplies, redundant drives, redundant NICs, = =3D etc. since the redundancy is taken care of via load balancing instead of = =3D at the server level. This keeps my cost of hardware cheaper, which =3D saves me money to afford the load balancing piece for Citrix or software = =3D assurance, etc. =3D20 My question is whether or not the proposed server setup listed above =3D would be adequate for this lab. All 30 PCs would be used at the same = =3D time, so I could POSSIBLY have 30 users using internet explorer at the = =3D same time so I need my servers capable of handling this load. I was = =3D originally thinking having (2) IBM x345 servers with a single processor, = =3D but I'm leaning towards dual processors. I'm looking for feedback from = =3D people on whether my server config would be adequate or whether I need = =3D more servers/hardware.=3D20 =3D20 If memory serves me correctly, and it probably doesn't, I thought a dual = =3D processor PIII Xeon processor server with a lot of memory could easily = =3D handle 25 users. If that's true, then my configuration with two servers = =3D would be overkill. =3D20 =3D20 Thoughts? Thanks. =3D20 Jesse Rink Network Engineer Whitnall School District 414-525-8461 =3D20 =3D20 ***********************************************=3D20 This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software WMS Messenger for TSE Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ ************************************************ For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=3D20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ***********************************************=20 This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software WMS Messenger for TSE Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ ************************************************ For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm *********************************************** This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software WMS Messenger for TSE Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ ************************************************ For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm