[THIN] Re: Server recommendations
- From: "Alexander Danilychev" <teknica@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:58:58 -0800
Absolutely!
ALEX
>From: "Dez" <Dez_is@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations
>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:29:26 +0000
>
>
>
>
>How is this done precisely, keeping the user profiles off the server? I
>know you can redirect them and have the main profile on another server, but
>doesnt it still cache a local copy down to each Citrix box?
>
>Chris
>
>======== At 2003-01-15, 09:55:00 Angus Macdonald wrote: ========
>
>
>The use of single drives was mainly down to our extremely cash-starved
>environment but 9GB is more than adequate for us. All servers have MS
>Office, NT4TSE, MF1.8 and our patient admin app on a 4GB partition with
>over
>50% free. The rest is used to keep the pagefile seperate. The servers
>require ECC memory and user profiles are stored on an external fileserver.
>A
>few of the servers are running mirrored so that we can quickly generate a
>replacement system drive if a single-drive machine fails. Spec the servers
>for the job, that's my motto
>
>I personally would have no problem with deploying IDE machines in a
>sizeable
>Citrix farm but 1U rack mount models are pretty rare ;-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alexander Danilychev [mailto:teknica@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: 15 January 2003 09:35
>To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations
>
>
>
>Well... it is late here, but ... 9GB + no mirror?
>How many users do you have, what apps do you run and where do you hide user
>profiles? In old days 4GB was OK, this days 9GB - no way
>
>Use mirror (real hardware RAID)! If single drive is an option - no reason
>to
>
>use ECC memory either. By the same token PCs with IDE drives can be
>"deployed" as MetaFrame boxes
>
>ALEX
>
>
> >> From: "Rowlandson, John" < John.Rowlandson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: < thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations
> >> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:08:00 +1100
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> my 20 new dell blade boxes came with 74Gb disks..
> >>
> >> why? cos you can't buy much smaller over here nowadays and they arent =
> >> much dearer than the next size disk
> >>
> >> who knows what job they'll have in 12 months if they arent MF boxes
> >>
> >> we also have 1 config of blade, 1 config of 2650, 1 config of 1650 etc
>=
> >> etc
> >>
> >> JOhn
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 8:03 PM
> >> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We use mostly single 9GB hard drives in the Citrix boxes. You shouldn't
>=
> >> be
> >> storing any data on the servers so you only need space for the
>operating
> >> system and apps. We have a few mirrored drives so that we can quickly
> >> rebuild a server in the event of a drive failure. I wouldn't see a need
>=
> >> for
> >> anything more complex than mirroring.=20
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jerry Spears [mailto:jerry@xxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: 14 January 2003 17:05
> >> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What level of raid do you recommend?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:58 AM
> >> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >> We run a farm of Dual P3/800 machines with 2GB RAM each, running a
> >> fairly
> >> intensive patient admin app. Each server handles up to 40 users
> >> concurrently
> >> and we've yet to meet a performance problem. Your servers should be
> >> fine
> >> I'd still go for a pair if I were you, for redundancy. Even a single
> >> server
> >> should manage what you want although IE isn't the most thin-client
> >> friendly
> >> app
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rink, Jesse [mailto:JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: 14 January 2003 16:48
> >> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [THIN] Server recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >> Looking for some feedback here. I worked a lot with load balanced
>farms
> >> and
> >> NFuse in the past with Winframe and Metaframe 1.8, but I haven't used
> >> Citrix/TS in about 2 years so I'm kinda rusty. XP wasn't even
>available
> >> when I was managing my Citrix servers so I'm clueless when it comes to
> >> XP
> >> That being said, be nice to me, haha
> >> =3D20
> >> I'm currently considering updating one of our computer labs (in the
>high
> >> school) which has older PII machines. The original thought was to buy
> >> brand
> >> new PCs but I'm starting to reconsider and thinking about going Citrix
> >> (or
> >> maybe just terminal services) and re-using the old PCs. The older PII
> >> machines should be enough to work as thin clients. The PCs are mainly
> >> used
> >> to surf the internet (IE), Office XP (mainly Word, Publisher, Power
> >> Point),
> >> a speech program, and a CAD program. =3D20
> >> =3D20
> >> I was tentatively looking at using Citrix XP with load balancing for
>the
> >> lab. (2) IBM x345 servers with dual 2GHz processors, 1GB memory, and a
> >> single 36GB drive. I've always been under the theory that when you use
> >> Citrix load balancing, it's more cost effective to NOT stock your
> >> servers
> >> with redundant power supplies, redundant drives, redundant NICs, etc
> >> since
> >> the redundancy is taken care of via load balancing instead of at the
> >> server
> >> level. This keeps my cost of hardware cheaper, which saves me money to
> >> afford the load balancing piece for Citrix or software assurance, etc
> >> =3D20
> >> My question is whether or not the proposed server setup listed above
> >> would
> >> be adequate for this lab. All 30 PCs would be used at the same time,
>so
> >> I
> >> could POSSIBLY have 30 users using internet explorer at the same time
>so
> >> I
> >> need my servers capable of handling this load. I was originally
> >> thinking
> >> having (2) IBM x345 servers with a single processor, but I'm leaning
> >> towards
> >> dual processors. I'm looking for feedback from people on whether my
> >> server
> >> config would be adequate or whether I need more servers/hardware.=3D20
> >> =3D20
> >> If memory serves me correctly, and it probably doesn't, I thought a
>dual
> >> processor PIII Xeon processor server with a lot of memory could easily
> >> handle 25 users. If that's true, then my configuration with two
>servers
> >> would be overkill. =3D20
> >> =3D20
> >> Thoughts? Thanks
> >> =3D20
> >> Jesse Rink
> >> Network Engineer
> >> Whitnall School District
> >> 414-525-8461
> >> =3D20
> >> =3D20
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