What extra maintenance, support costs, admistration? From a SAN point of
view it doesn't add anymore. Your going to be using that space one way or
the other otherwise it's a complete waste of money bringing in the SAN. The
costs for SAN are there one way or the other. Presentation Server doesn't
add or take away from that.
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On 7/19/06, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> If your saying it doesn't cost anymore to implement SAN for Citrix than
> say implementing SAN for Exchange and SQL then I'd say that is incorrect. A
> cost analysis more than just the $$ on the invoice. There is maintenance
> costs, administrative costs, support costs, etc which all tend to
> escalate. So now your adding 30 more servers to the SAN and what have you
> gained? So you can clone a server in a couple of minutes? Big deal... I
> can ghost a server in 10 minutes or build one from scratch in an hour. How
> often are servers being cloned/rebuilt?
>
> Joe
>
> On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon < JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > right but my point is that he was saying that "booting from san"
> > would cost you more than just using the san for other disks which I don't
> > agree with. you would need the adaptors either way...
> >
> > the concept of booting from san doesn't cost you anything as compared
> > to normal use of the san on a server.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > *Jon Luchette
> > *** *Emerson Hospital*
> > *Technology Specialist III*
> > *Work: 978-287-3369*
> > *Cell: 978-360-1379*
> >
> > jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *_______________________________________________*
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > *On Behalf Of *Jeff Matheis
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:26 AM
> >
> > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
> >
> >
> > You still need 2 adapters (for redundancy) per server, plus SAN
> > ports, usually there is management software associated with the SAN which is
> > licensed per connection, etc.... This person is problem referring to all of
> > the overall costs that add about $5k or more each time you hook a device
> > up.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jeff Matheis
> > Kimball International, Inc.
> > 812-482-8302
> > jmathei@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > *On Behalf Of *Luchette, Jon
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:14 AM
> >
> > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
> >
> >
> > well you really don't need more disk to boot from SAN than you would
> > if you were just using the SAN for regular storage. especially for citrix,
> > you don't need alot of disk for citrix boxes...
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > *Jon Luchette
> > *** *Emerson Hospital*
> > *Technology Specialist III*
> > *Work: 978-287-3369*
> > *Cell: 978-360-1379*
> >
> > jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *_______________________________________________*
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > *On Behalf Of *Eldon
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:59 AM
> >
> > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
> >
> >
> > my understanding is that it was disk cost - the # of spindles needing
> > to be allocated, multiplied by the number of servers booting from SAN.....
> >
> > On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon < JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > right, what is he talking about. because if he is talking about the
> > > hba's then that is not specific to booting from the san, but just
something
> > > that you will need if you want to use your san at all...?
> > >
> > > what is he talking about?
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > *Jon Luchette
> > > *** *Emerson Hospital*
> > > *Technology Specialist III*
> > > *Work: 978-287-3369*
> > > *Cell: 978-360-1379*
> > >
> > > jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *_______________________________________________*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Landin, Mark
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23 AM
> > > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
> > >
> > >
> > > What cost does he associate with boot-from-SAN?
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Eldon
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:13 AM
> > > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* [THIN] SAN Benefits for Citrix
> > >
> > >
> > > My organization just installed an EMC SAN and I was thinking how I
> > > could use it to benefit my current (XP FR3) and future (upgrading to PS 4)
> > > environment. How can I use the SAN to enhance my Citrix deployment
> > > (currently 15 servers, 250 concurrent users, hardware become outdated and
> > > soon needs replacement)? I was told by our SAN Admin that booting new
> > > servers from the SAN would probably be cost prohibitive.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
