[THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix

  • From: Eldon <u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:38:57 -0500

This is kinda the info I was looking for.  What I have read in the
discussion so far is that the benefits of booting a Citrix box from SAN are:


1. Imaging\Cloning (which I can do with the EMC SAN) 2. High Availability


Are there others that would offset the purchase of the HBAs, Switches to boot a Citrix box from SAN?


On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon <JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

i see your point but i think some people do it for high availability. for example they would have 2 partitions on the server, the first being the local disks with the OS, and then have all their apps installed on the 2nd partition being on the san. then they can snap and/or clone that 2nd partition all they want on the SAN to make it easier to recover and to image.

i don't do it, but i think some people might for these reasons...


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 *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Landin, Mark
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:46 AM

*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix


Right. Although, if you aren't BOOTING from SAN, then you must be using local disk for your OS, swap, etc. In that case, what are you using the SAN disks for? Unless you have truly GIGANTIC application suites, I don't see why non-booting-SAN for Citrix would make sense.

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*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Luchette, Jon
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:30 AM
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix


right but my point is that he was saying that "booting from san" would cost you more than just using the san for other disks which I don't agree with. you would need the adaptors either way...

the concept of booting from san doesn't cost you anything as compared to
normal use of the san on a server.


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*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Jeff Matheis
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:26 AM
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix


You still need 2 adapters (for redundancy) per server, plus SAN ports, usually there is management software associated with the SAN which is licensed per connection, etc.... This person is problem referring to all of the overall costs that add about $5k or more each time you hook a device up.


Thanks

Jeff Matheis
Kimball International, Inc.
812-482-8302
jmathei@xxxxxxxxxxx


------------------------------ *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Luchette, Jon *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:14 AM *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix


well you really don't need more disk to boot from SAN than you would if you were just using the SAN for regular storage. especially for citrix, you don't need alot of disk for citrix boxes...


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*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Eldon
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:59 AM
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix


my understanding is that it was disk cost - the # of spindles needing to be allocated, multiplied by the number of servers booting from SAN.....

On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon <JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  right, what is he talking about. because if he is talking about the
> hba's then that is not specific to booting from the san, but just something
> that you will need if you want to use your san at all...?
>
> what is he talking about?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> *Jon Luchette
> *** *Emerson Hospital*
> *Technology Specialist III*
>  *Work: 978-287-3369*
> *Cell:  978-360-1379*
>
> jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *_______________________________________________*
>
>
>
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *Landin, Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23 AM
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
>
>
>  What cost does he associate with boot-from-SAN?
>
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *Eldon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:13 AM
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] SAN Benefits for Citrix
>
>
>  My organization just installed an EMC SAN and I was thinking how I
> could use it to benefit my current (XP FR3) and future (upgrading to PS 4)
> environment.  How can I use the SAN to enhance my Citrix deployment
> (currently 15 servers, 250 concurrent users, hardware become outdated and
> soon needs replacement)?  I was told by our SAN Admin that booting new
> servers from the SAN would probably be cost prohibitive.
>
>

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