i agree with that. you are limited as to the local drives that come in blades. many will only have ide drives available so the peformance benefits from FC disks are significant... _______________________________________________ Jon Luchette Emerson Hospital Technology Specialist III Work: 978-287-3369 Cell: 978-360-1379 jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:31 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix I've seen many orgs do this with the older blades strictly because of the IDE drivers that were in use. They were getting better performance from the SAN vs the local IDE drives. Jeff Pitsch Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server Forums not enough? Get support from the experts at your business http://jeffpitschconsulting.com <http://jeffpitschconsulting.com/> On 7/19/06, Eldon <u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: on a related note, for those organizations that are using Blades for TS\Citrix, are a majority using local blade disks rather than boot from SAN? On 7/19/06, Jeff Pitsch < jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: while I agree with what your saying the fact is is that if you are implementing a SAN most servers are probably going to have HBA's in them already whether it's for backup or disk access. If your implementing EMC SAN's then feasible and economical aren't usually something they are necessarily worried about. Jeff Pitsch Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server Forums not enough? Get support from the experts at your business http://jeffpitschconsulting.com <http://jeffpitschconsulting.com/> On 7/19/06, Landin, Mark < Mark.Landin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Mark.Landin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: "Cost prohibitive" is a subjective measure and varies by company. Yes, many places do it. That doesn't mean it's feasible or economical in every organization. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:08 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix there are so many organizations doing boot from SAN that truly doubt it is cost prohibitive. Jeff Pitsch Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server Forums not enough? Get support from the experts at your business http://jeffpitschconsulting.com <http://jeffpitschconsulting.com/> On 7/19/06, Eldon < u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: my understanding is that it was disk cost - the # of spindles needing to be allocated, multiplied by the number of servers booting from SAN..... On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon < JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: right, what is he talking about. because if he is talking about the hba's then that is not specific to booting from the san, but just something that you will need if you want to use your san at all...? what is he talking about? _______________________________________________ Jon Luchette Emerson Hospital Technology Specialist III Work: 978-287-3369 Cell: 978-360-1379 jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Landin, Mark Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix What cost does he associate with boot-from-SAN? ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Eldon Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:13 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] SAN Benefits for Citrix My organization just installed an EMC SAN and I was thinking how I could use it to benefit my current (XP FR3) and future (upgrading to PS 4) environment. How can I use the SAN to enhance my Citrix deployment (currently 15 servers, 250 concurrent users, hardware become outdated and soon needs replacement)? I was told by our SAN Admin that booting new servers from the SAN would probably be cost prohibitive.