Hi, There is just no way you can justify a boot off SAN scenario unless money is no object and your DR scenario is based around replicated boot disk images. Throw in the fact that it's a non-Microsoft supported configuration and that it's likely to be slower than fast (15K)local disks and you might come to the conclusion that maybe it's not the way to go. I'm not saying that you can't do some interesting stuff with a SAN, but if we're going to look at terminal servers as an application delivery appliance, which is what they are, then making them too complex from a technology viewpoint just doesn't make sense. regards, Rick Ulrich Mack Volante Systems ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Andrew Wood Sent: Thu 20/07/2006 0:28 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix if you were starting from scratch maybe, but if you've already invested in the SAN hardware then perhaps not. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: 19 July 2006 15:15 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix But for Citrix? Really, what is the benefit when compared to the overall cost to implement? There are alternative technologies out there that can provide the same benefits for a fraction of the cost. Joe On 7/19/06, Jeff Pitsch <jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: there are so many organizations doing boot from SAN that truly doubt it is cost prohibitive. Jeff Pitsch Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server Forums not enough? Get support from the experts at your business http://jeffpitschconsulting.com <http://jeffpitschconsulting.com/> On 7/19/06, Eldon < u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: my understanding is that it was disk cost - the # of spindles needing to be allocated, multiplied by the number of servers booting from SAN..... On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon < JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: right, what is he talking about. because if he is talking about the hba's then that is not specific to booting from the san, but just something that you will need if you want to use your san at all...? what is he talking about? _______________________________________________ Jon Luchette Emerson Hospital Technology Specialist III Work: 978-287-3369 Cell: 978-360-1379 jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Landin, Mark Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix What cost does he associate with boot-from-SAN? ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Eldon Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:13 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] SAN Benefits for Citrix My organization just installed an EMC SAN and I was thinking how I could use it to benefit my current (XP FR3) and future (upgrading to PS 4) environment. How can I use the SAN to enhance my Citrix deployment (currently 15 servers, 250 concurrent users, hardware become outdated and soon needs replacement)? I was told by our SAN Admin that booting new servers from the SAN would probably be cost prohibitive. ##################################################################################### This e-mail, including all attachments, may be confidential or privileged. Confidentiality or privilege is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received it in error please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this e-mail and any attachments. All liability for direct and indirect loss arising from this e-mail and any attachments is hereby disclaimed to the extent permitted by law. #####################################################################################