I 100% agree. VDI is a joke, I think or at least it is today. Yes, there are some really good use cases, although don't ask me for any ;). But there are... That being said in most cases you still have a fat PC so why have a desktop on desktop. Is that not what we liked about MetaFrame, that we don't need a desktop on desktop? With PVS you don't have to deal with that... It works perfect... Perfect and it is local and secure.. anyhoo... I think VDI will be much better in a year once the broker venders get the bugs worked out and can give us a native experience through a remote session and we can get rid of our local machine for thin clients but then you have a cultural issue. But, if people want to use it I will learn it... Again, this is why I like Provisioning Server. It is an amazing product and I'm blown away Citrix downplays it. XenDesktop sucks compared to PVS. It walks all over XenDesktop, in my view and I'm not saying XenDesktop is bad but I just don't need another desktop right now... But PVS... Now think about deploying ESX, XenSource, or Hyper-V through it and then deploying OSes through it and then desktops... You can do everything in seconds and DR is a snap.. WOW.. It is an amazing solution, period! IMHO DB Douglas A. Brown President and Chief Technology Officer Microsoft MVP, Windows Server Citrix Technology Professional DABCC, Inc. Phone: (954) 778-9558 Fax: (941) 827-9073 E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.dabcc.com -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:55 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization One of my planned topics is , "Is Provisioning Server to the desktop a better VDI than VDI"..... I think PVS is the sleeping giant at Citrix..... SteveG Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Brown <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:23:49 To:<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of Virtualization I don’t get it??? But, I actaully sat down one night and wrote 4 articles, one after another. I had a few things I wanted to get out of me. One of those, which I will release next week is title, “Citrix Provisioning Server, Why it is my Favorite Citrix Technology”... So, that is Ardence.... But Where does Sean Penn come in to play? On 6/5/08 10:09 PM, "Greg Reese" <gareese@xxxxxxxxx <gareese@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: so does that make Ardence the photog punching Sean Penn? On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Yup, they keep pushing it Over the Borderline, but let's face it, in the Hypervisor world Citrix is Like a Virgin…. Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85266 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> > steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ---------------- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:08 PM To: THIN Subject: [THIN] Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of Virtualization I agree! See http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884 <http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884> What do you think? ŠÀÈb½ëI+hR{.nÇ+‰·’¹»®&Þ¢»´8 zËhVœjبžjz붛zZ0–)ä†Ûiÿü0ÁúÞzX¬¶Ê+ƒùb²ßí†)Ø¢çú%–Œ-…äáŠrâ²Ú'Oµêá¶ÚþÜ"¶×«r‰¿¶§–+-N§.+-v+.rË"¢x¬žŒ½¨¥i¹^~Šëy§bž§nZ ~ŠæjÖ†ÛiÿûaŠyšŠYb²Öå¢ )¢×(