[THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

So why does VDI have to sit on a big beefy expensive box?

Joe

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Steve Greenberg
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization


This is a long standing debate between Joe and I . To me VDI, and most 
hypervisor virtualizations for that matter, are just not efficient enough. For 
applications that require remoting and certain kinds of processing I am sure 
there is a good match, i.e. stock traders, CAD engineers working at a distance, 
etc. 

The case we are pondering more and more is where remoting is needed but the 
requirements to get the application set working in TS are highly complicated. 
These may not be highly specialized apps, but apps that just don't play well in 
TS. We have made some incredibly difficult apps work together on TS, but in the 
end you have a very complicated system that is hard to upgrade and change. So 
for certain organizations that have the skills to manage a PC but not a complex 
TS environment, VDI starts to become attractive.


One of our Bri-Forum sessions is called "Y-VDI" in which we will outline all 
the use cases we can think of that support VDI. 

My main issues with VDI are lack of efficiency, i.e. a really big ass server 
might support 15-20 users, that completely sucks!!

This is going to be an interesting one to watch and get involved it to see 
where it really works and where it falls flat on it's face!!


 
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 

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Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:12 PM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

I 100% agree.  VDI is a joke, I think or at least it is today.  Yes, there are 
some really good use cases, although don't ask me for any ;).  But there are... 
  That being said in most cases you still have a fat PC so why have a desktop 
on desktop.  Is that not what we liked about MetaFrame, that we don't need a 
desktop on desktop?     

With PVS you don't have to deal with that...  It works perfect...  Perfect and 
it is local and secure..  anyhoo...  

I think VDI will be much better in a year once the broker venders get the bugs 
worked out and can give us a native experience through a remote session and we 
can get rid of our local machine for thin clients but then you have a cultural 
issue. 

But, if people want to use it I will learn it...  


Again, this is why I like Provisioning Server.  It is an amazing product and 
I'm blown away Citrix downplays it.  XenDesktop sucks compared to PVS.  It 
walks all over XenDesktop, in my view and I'm not saying XenDesktop is bad but 
I just don't need another desktop right now... 


But PVS... Now think about deploying ESX, XenSource, or Hyper-V through it and 
then deploying OSes through it and then desktops... You can do everything in 
seconds and DR is a snap.. WOW.. It is an amazing solution, period!  IMHO

DB



Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer 

Microsoft MVP, Windows Server 
Citrix Technology Professional 

DABCC, Inc.

Phone:    (954) 778-9558
Fax:         (941) 827-9073

E-mail:       dbrown@xxxxxxxxx
Web:        http://www.dabcc.com


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Steve Greenberg
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization


One of my planned topics is , "Is Provisioning Server to the desktop a better 
VDI than VDI".....

I think PVS is the sleeping giant at Citrix.....


SteveG

 


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From: Douglas Brown <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:23:49 
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of
 Virtualization


I don’t get it???
 
 But, I actaully sat down one night and wrote 4 articles, one after another.  I 
had a few things I wanted to get out of me.  One of those, which I will release 
next week is title, “Citrix Provisioning Server, Why it is my Favorite Citrix 
Technology”...  So, that is Ardence.... But Where does Sean Penn come in to 
play?   
 
 
 
 
 On 6/5/08 10:09 PM, "Greg Reese" <gareese@xxxxxxxxx <gareese@xxxxxxxxx> > 
wrote:
 
 so does that make Ardence the photog punching Sean Penn?
 
 On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
<steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
 Yup, they keep pushing it Over the Borderline, but let's face it, in the 
Hypervisor world Citrix is Like a Virgin….
 
  
 
  
 
 Steve Greenberg
 
 Thin Client Computing
 
 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
 
 Scottsdale, AZ 85266
 
 (602) 432-8649
 
 www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> > 
 
 steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
 
  
 
 
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 Subject: [THIN] Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of Virtualization
 
  
 
 I agree!
 
 See 
 
 http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884 
<http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884> 
 
  
 
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