Those of interest. This is undoubtly a complex dynamic issue. Please note however that many species of "collared doves" are found in captivity and likely the source of these feral populations. Aviculturalists do not often follow the AOU! In fact often have their own names for species. In other cases the AOU does not deal with the species as they are only a New World group. Fred will know this from his experience with psittacines. My point is when dealing with birds that are abundant in captivity one should always look at Avicultural and Ornithological material and do not be surprised with you find conflicts! Just another point to ponder!! Jack EitniearSan Antonio "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying --- On Thu, 6/28/12, tony gallucci <hurricanetg@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: tony gallucci <hurricanetg@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [texbirds] Re: African Collared-Dove (formerly Ringed Turtle-Dove) in Gatesville To: "Jack Eitniear" <jackeitniear@xxxxxxxxx>, "Fred Collins" <fred_collins@xxxxxxxx>, "Brush Freeman" <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Tex Birds" <texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, June 28, 2012, 1:06 PM I have been privately corresponding with Brush about these doves, but see this needs some wider discussion, as this is contrary to the AOU re: 47th Supplement to the Checklist (http://www.aou.org/checklist/suppl/AOU_checklist_suppl_47.pdf) which states as follows: p. 221. The name Streptopelia risoria is applied to a long-domesticated (often feral) form of S. roseogrisea (Goodwin 1983, Sibley and Monroe 1990, Baptista et al. 1997). We follow these authors in using the name of the wild species (roseogrisea) in place of the name based on domesticated birds. This follows the principle set forth in Opinion 2027 of the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature (2003) that conserved the usage of specific names based on wild species of mammals that are predated by or contemporary with names based on domesticated forms. In the citation for the generic name Streptopelia, add to the designation of the type species “= Columba roseogrisea Sundevall.” Replace the account of S. risoria with the following account: Streptopelia roseogrisea (Sundevall). African Collared-Dove. Columbam roseogriseam (accusative case) Sundevall, 1857, Kongl. Sv. Vet.-Akad, Handl. (n.s.) no. 1, art. 3, p. 54. (Nubia.) Habitat.—Arid country with trees and shrubs, often near human habitation. Feral populations occur mainly in urban and suburban parks. Distribution.—Resident in northeastern Africa and southwestern Arabia. Introduced and established as feral populations of domesticated stock in west-central Florida (Pinellas County), the Bahamas (New Providence), and Puerto Rico. Other introduced populations in North America have failed to become established. Notes.—Also known as Ringed Turtle-Dove and Barbary Dove. The widely domesticated and locally introduced populations (Goodwin 1983) have been known as S. risoria (Linnaeus, 1758). Present North American feral populations may be entirely human-dependent and not self-sustaining. all my best, tony g Fred,Feral populations of the popular cagebird the Common Ringneck Dove (Streptopelia risora) do exist but are usually not large. One of the reasons for this is that they often produce white mutations with are often the preferred meal of raptors! This species is quite distinct from the African Collared Dove (w/ Two races recognized: S. roseogrisea roseogrisea ; S. r. arabica . Populations west of Lake Chad sometimes awarded separate race, S. r. bornuensis) and the Eurasian Collared Dove (Two races recognized: S. decaocto decaocto; S. d. xanthocylus - has a yellow eye cere instead of the whitish grey eye cere color of the nominate race) These are only three of a number of collared doves throughout the World. Identification can be tricky although I suspect the article mentioned by Brush should likely be the first place to look. The Common Ringnecked Doves produces over 37 phenotypic variations!!To compound identification challenges all the Streptopelia seem to hybridize readily. If Eurasian Collared Doves were near a feral population of Common Ringneck Doves I do not doubt you would see hybrids. I addition in order to achieve a "wild type" Common Ringneck Dove breeders often hybridize them with pure African Collared Doves. Individuals interested in Streptopelia are encouraged to investigate John Pire's International Dove Society webpage. John has been Texas's premier exotic dove breederfor many years now. The site has numerous photos of all the seed and fruit eating doves. John has a great discussion of the matter at: http://www.internationaldovesociety.com/Articles/ringneck%20history.htm Jack Jack Clinton EitniearSan Antonio jce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying