Peter, You have an exemption as they are always enjoyable. Rant away Phil >>> "Peter Jones" <Peter.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 11/04/2008 15:54 >>> Phil, Thankfully, you put 'No Rants' in your email, I was just about to go into creative mode! Peter Jones Principal Traffic Systems Engineer Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254 Fax: +44 (0) 151 934 2850 Sefton MBC - UTC 3rd Floor Magdalen House 30 Trinity Road Bootle L20 3NJ >>> "Philip Selvidge" <Philip.Selvidge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 11/04/2008 15:05 >>> It's Friday afternoon, not April 1st Our cycling officer has just come to us with a plan for advance indicators for cyclists on a cycle way as it approaches a toucan. It is apparently in use on the continent and gives an indication to cyclists so that they can adjust their speed so that they can reach the toucan whilst it is still on green. Anyone know anything about such a device? have a look at a company called 'tradeinvent' http://www.tradeinvent.co.uk/products/bicycletraffic.php No rants please - We have already been through the 'how can it work with anything but a fixed time crossing' and 'should we be getting cyclists to speed up as they approach a conflict point with both cars and peds' I recall there being a count-down timer being made available from one signal company that may have been used by some of you. We certainly didn't but I suppose the concept is not hugely different - any comments on that one as well. Phil ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug <>This message is intended for named addressees only and may contain confidential, privileged or commercially sensitive information. If you are not a named addressee and this message has come to you in error you must not copy, distribute or take any action on its content. Please return the message to the sender by replying to it immediately and then delete it from your computer and destroy any copies of it. This message does not create or vary any contractual relationship between Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council and you. Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communication medium and Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst all reasonable care has been taken to ensure that this message is virus-free, it is the recipient's responsibility to carry out virus checks as appropriate and ensure that the onward transmission, opening or use of this message and any attachments will not adversely affect their systems or data. Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council does not accept any responsibility in this regard." ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug