Ian, RR67 is a good starting point. If you can find a site with similar = characteristics, it is worth getting measurements and observations from = the location and importing them into your new build site.=20 There was a paper presented by Stuart Beniston at the 2002 JCT symposium = which discussed satflows. I have also seen a short paper entitled = "Saturation flow - food for though" by Mark Crabtree at TRL. I can dig out = copies if you want. Andrew Rawlinson Senior engineer Kirklees Highways and Transportation Flint Street Huddersfield HD1 6LG 01484 225436 andrew.rawlinson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> "Kirk-Ellis, Ian B" <i.b.kirk-ellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 03/07/08 = 10:14 >>> We use RR67 to derive sat flows for TRANSYT when it's a new build that = can't be measured onsite, but a colleague from another office has said = that he recalls a paper that was subsequent to RR67 and defined Sat flow = in bands directly relating to width for use in transyt. We use RR67 as = this is the latest we know of and its use in LINSIG backs up this view but = I thought I'd ask the forum if anyone knew of this work and if it was = subsequent to RR67 ? Thanks Ian Ian Kirk-Ellis Principal Engineer Waterman Civils Lockington Hall, Lockington, Derbyshire, DE74 2RH TEL (01509) 674567 FAX. (01509) 674623 ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug