[TCUG] Re: Offset Pedestrian Facilities at a Controlled Junction - Zig-Zag markings or Not
- From: Grahame Bath <grahame.bath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:05:47 +0000
One would assume that Dave - but I would not go down that route.
Personally, I would seek a written agreement from the Police that they
agree to the use
of Zig Zags, retain the existing layout but change the signal equipment and
operation.
If the Zig Zags work now, they should work in the future.
Our problem is that Puffins had not been invented when our remote
pedestrian facility was installed.
We cannot officially call it a Puffin crossing without changing it
considerably.
Regards
Grahame
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Network Management & Information
Surrey County Council
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I have a similar problem but it is the other way round. I have an
existing pelican crossing about 50m from a T junction that I am
considering converting to a stream of the main controller. We will
retain the existing far side signals but convert to standard signal
sequence. Presumably I should remove all zig zags and advertise removal
of pelican crossing?
Dave
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Sent: 04 January 2008 11:48
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Subject: [TCUG] Re: Offset Pedestrian Facilities at a Controlled
Junction - Zig-Zag markings or Not
We've the same problem in the middle of Walton on Thames.
No zig zags on an associated pedestrian facility which is out of sight
around a small one way system, one junction on which is controlled by
signals.
We have so many complaints from Police but to install zig zags would
inhibit all trade at adajacent shops. Yes, we know that sometimes parked
vehicles obstruct visibility, but they would do that even if the zig
zags were there.
Deliveries have to be made and we have no accident problem at this
location. So - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is our policy with this
one.
It meets the regs - even if all do not agree.
Happy New Year all
Regards
Grahame
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Peter,
'if' you do decide to put in Zig-Zag's then you obviously need to
advertise this facility as a separate 'Puffin' crossing=3D20 as I
understand it 'regs' don't allow zig-zags at anything other than a
Puffin/Pelican/Toucan
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Behalf Of Peter Hodge
Sent: 04 January 2008 11:10
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Subject: [TCUG] Offset Pedestrian Facilities at a Controlled Junction -
Zig-Zag markings or Not
Happy New Year to one and All
Hopefully, you guys can offer some good advice on this one.
I have a new Junction being installed with walk with traffic peds on
three arms + an off-set ped facility approximately 30m from the main
junction. This offset ped will be controlled by the main junction
controller as a separate stream or with phase delays (still to be
agreed), and the question has been asked whether the road markings for
the offset ped should be zig-zags or the standard stop lines/centre line
with double yellows. The signal equipment will be nearside puffin type
with pedestrian detection.
There is also a mid block dual puffin crossing being installed
approximately 100m from the offset crossing that will have zig-zag
markings.
My initial thoughts are that we should use zig-zag markings for
consistency, but 5/05 Pedestrian Failties at Signal Controlled Junctions
does not advise this.
Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.=3D3D20
Kind Regards
Peter Hodge MIHT
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