Andrew Every site is different and we locate the signals where they are best used. Close associated always used opposite an "early cut off" for obvious reasons, but also many times where circumstances warrant this layout. We have (at least) one cross roads where there are close associated secondaries on all approaches and this has dramatically reduced accidents by encouraging drivers to watch other vehicles rather than trust the signals. In our opinion, there is no such thing as a standard layout - horses for courses. Regards Grahame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Grahame Bath Senior Engineer, Intelligent Transport Systems Network Management & Information Centre Surrey County Council Transportation Service Directorate of Services for Communities 020 8541 7346 (Tel) 020 8541 7366 (Fax) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Andrew Ashton" <andrew.ashton@blackp To: <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ool.gov.uk> cc: Sent by: Subject: [TCUG] Closely Associated Secondary Signals tcug-bounce@freelists .org 27/09/06 10:36 Please respond to tcug Hi All, I've been asked by our senior management to gauge how many authorities use = 'closely associated secondary signals', as follows: 1. as standard on all sites; 2. only when circumstances dictate (i.e.. right turn accident issues, impra= cticable to use far-sided secondaries); Traffic Advisory Leaflet 1/06 - General Principles of Traffic Control by li= ght Signals Part 1 of 4 states: "Signal heads beyond the junction are known as secondary signals. The displ= ays must have the same information as the primary and may have additional i= nformation, which must not conflict with that shown on the primary. In cert= ain circumstances it may be undesirable, or impracticable, to position the = secondary beyond the junction. On these occasions the secondary may be on t= he entry side of the junction, beyond the stopline and primary positions an= d preferably on the offside. This is known as a closely associated secondar= y." I assume from the above paragraph new designs shall always incorporate far-= sided secondaries with CASS only being used in certain circumstances. I would appreciate your thoughts and comments. Regards,=20 Andy Ashton=20 Blackpool Council =20 Email Disclaimer is:=20 http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange= as part of the Council's e-mail and internet policy. ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email and any attachments with it are intended for the addressee only. It may be confidential and may be the subject of legal and/or professional privilege. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender or postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The content may be personal or contain personal opinions and cannot be taken as an expression of the County Council's position. Surrey County Council reserves the right to monitor all incoming and outgoing mail. Whilst every care has been taken to check this outgoing e-mail for viruses, it is your responsibility to carry out any checks upon receipt. Visit the Surrey County Council website - http://www.surreycc.gov.uk * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug