Thanks for your responses, thought I couldn't be the first to encounter t= his problem. I will press to make them change their system. Tim -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Beh= alf Of Richard Berry Sent: 14 January 2008 16:09 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Re: Audible Signals Tim We had a similar problem in Nottingham so time ago (at Dixons) - they cla= imed that they couldn't change it but when we played up the road safety/c= laims/blood on hands /national standard/ blind people etc issues =3D and = they suddenly found they could change it after all. Richard Berry =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =3D= Behalf Of Tim Clark Sent: 14 January 2008 16:03 To: tcug, forum Subject: [TCUG] Audible Signals We have a Puffin crossing sited close to the doorway of a House of =3D Fr= aser department store. We have discovered that the doorway security syste= m =3D alarm sounds similar to the crossing's audible signal. Although thi= s doesn't operate frequently one of our staff has witnessed pedestrians s= etting =3D off to cross against a red signal when it sounded. I have spoken with the Store Manager who informs me that this is their st= andard countywide system and that the tone cannot be altered. The =3D vol= ume has been set to suit their needs but would be heard from the crossing= at =3D any volume. She could offer no solutions but was concerned about = the =3D possiblity of claims of liability against the store if there were= an accident. Has anyone experience of a similar problem, if so what steps did you =3D = take and did you consider the legal and safety aspects? We are considerin= g =3D adding "cross with green figure" signing. 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