Presumably the lure of offshore labor is lower cost. I saw a quote recently that addresses this topic. "It is unwise to pay too much. But, it is worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you loose a little money that is all. Whey you pay too little, you sometimes loose everything, because the thing you bought is not capable of doing the thing you bought it to do. The common law of business prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it cannot be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run and, if you do that, you will have enough money to pay for something better." (1) Regarding the question of employing offshore engineering labor, the risks one must bear include whether offshore courts will enforce your patent and intellectual property rights, and what happens to the experience and skill sets you fostered after your design project is done. If one considers the risks and unintended consequences then the lure of lower cost may be mitigated. Regards, jf (1) "Right the First Time" by Lee W. Ritchey, page 15, copyright 2003 by Speeding Edge. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathan Fasig Email: fasig.jonathan@xxxxxxxx Mayo Foundation 4001 41st Street NW MSC Sn 2-132 Phone: (507) 538-5464 Rochester, MN 55901 Fax: (507) 284-9171 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Euredjian [mailto:martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:21 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] [OT] Offshore engineering My apologies for the OT post. If it's seriously irrelevant please don't respond so that the thread does not consume list bandwidth. A current thread initiated by a vendor posting and ad touched upon a painful sore which is the migration of all sorts of jobs from call center to engineering to countries like India and China. This is a subject I continue to attempt to understand as the game unfolds. I can't say that I have a grasp for what the end-game will be or where we are going, I just know that I have to pay attention to it. As a small business that's expanding and facing the need to hire engineers soon, I have to look at the marketplace and consider what's going on. Offshore engineering sure feels like an unavoidable element of remaning competitive. If other companies in your field choose to go that route, how can you possibly compete while paying 10x the wages locally? I guess I'm looking for wisdom from someone who understands where this is going. I want to hire from and support my local engineering talent pool. I don't think that, as a country, we can afford the wreck that this offshore business might leave behind. However, I'm not sure what we can do about it. And, BTW, "country" here might not necesarily apply to the US alone, as I'm sure this is an issue in countries like UK, Germany, France, etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin Euredjian eCinema Systems, Inc. voice: 661-305-9320 fax: 661-775-4876 martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ecinema@xxxxxxxx www.ecinemasys.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http:/www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu