Ok, I'll take your word and take the SI out of this discussion. So if I design a package using ground plane as a reference for the PECL circuit in the package. Guess what, if someone use it as ECL, that plane will become -ve voltage. It may then blow up as you so worry about. Damn if you do, damn if you don't isn't it. -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Degerstrom [mailto:degers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:40 PM To: chris.cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Ground, the preferred reference plane Chris, Once again - if you take the time to read my original post I said that for this thread people were using the word 'reference' to mean two very different things: a) In the context of one or more reference planes that set the characteristic impedance for the signal. These planes will carry the local return current for the signal. b) In the context of a selected voltage that dictates how circuits interact with one another. For example, consider two ECL chips with external VBB pins that are powered from the same VBB on-board supply. Since these two chips have the same switch point voltage reference then they behave very well together. There are cases, where for example, you may want to run these ECL chips with a positive voltage in an PECL . This is often times fine to do but if there were grounded metal cases and heat sinks these metal surfaces will then be at the positive supply. I merely mentioned in passing that you may not want a design with large areas of bare metal at a non-ground potential as the risk of DC shorts during testing, handling, etc., would be high. Please don't read any more into this passing comment - it had no relevance to high speed SI issues. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu