I still don't understand what are you talking about. Almost all the high performance package I've design or came across have mulitple planes. Sandwiching I/O signal between Gnd and VDDQ is simple to do and common practice. Are you telling me there should be no power planes on a package because there is potential DC shorting issue ? -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Degerstrom [mailto:degers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:00 PM To: chris.cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Ground, the preferred reference plane Also, please note in my original posting my explanations of the two different meanings of the term 'reference'. When I spoke about packages, I was speaking on the second meaning of 'reference'. That is, if you are going to change the voltage reference of a part, for example, running ECL as PECL, then there are other things to be concerned with beside high-speed issues. My example points out that large pieces of metal that were grounded now would be at the PECL voltage - which could be a potential DC shorting issue. I was by no means advocating not using power or ground planes in a high speed package. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu