I'd second what Steve says. In my experience, just because an application note says it's so, don't make it so. The problem with the simulations (and app notes) of others are those pesky little unstated assumptions. Sometimes they are unstated yet still considered in the analysis. Sometimes they are unstated and were not considered. And other times they are unstated and what was considered is just plain wrong. Few if any application notes and design guides explicitly state all the assumptions used. In fact, many of the assumptions are considered proprietary by semiconductor companies. (When was the last time you performed an analysis on a processor bus and included the tester guard band for the processor and the controllerin your timing analysis?) The bottom line: If you want explicit control over all assumptions in your system (and therefore want to take responsibility for engineering of that system) then you will roll your own simulations and perform your own analysis .... or suffer the consequence. Unless, of course, you can get a semiconductor to certify that their application notes or design guidelines are error free. Y'all might want to take some time and read the legal disclaimers. They are there for a reason. regards and happy simulating, scott -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax (503) 750-6481 Cellular http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu