In a message dated 8/9/05 5:01:25 PM Central Daylight Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: First do we agree dog shows are a place to evaluate breeding stock. The judge is saying with his/her top placings these are the dogs that in my opinion should be used for breeding. With this in mind. you have a class of more than 4 animals in that class you have at least 4 top quality animals one of which is a showing fool never puts a foot down wrong. But there is one that is obviously superior in structure but is an uninspired show dog in fact the only time you can evaluate it's gait is when it is heading for the exit. WHO WINS and why. Fred Migliore Fred, I have never believed I was there to evalualte breeding stock. But possibly my top winners would dictate me doing just that. Often times, especially if there are four of top quality, I will say to myself, "Who would I take home?" The choice then becomes very clear (usually)! Answering your question though is very difficult for anyone, as there are no real dogs in question. If one of these quality animals was a "stick in the mud", he would probably loose, given the "showman" had everything else I look for. Attitude is very special to a Show Dog. On the other hand Attitude is not everything. Mr "Showman" would have to be the total package, not just attitude. Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================