Jeff, NOBODY ASKED YOU SO BUTT OUT!!! (Ha ha... just kidding. For those of you who dont know us, its just a little joke.) Sean caggra@xxxxxxx wrote: Very well stated Stormy. I agree with you. I like a lot of Christine's ideas and Sean's (of course! lol). We are all aiming toward the same goal (I think!) ....To increase membership and secure some membership "priviledge's" as just that...a priviledge! Discussions like this are great.....let's just all stay positive and not be defensive or closed to opposing view points. Then maybe we can get somewhere. We are NEVER ALL going to 100% agree with one solution.....a combination of ideas is generally the most accepted solution. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Stormy435@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:24:02 EDT Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: IS THE GSDCA TOO DESPERATE?LONG SORRY I was trying to remember why I joined the PC....Because I had a GSD and was showing her, I think that was the only reason...to be part of the club. It wasn't until quite a bit later that I became interested in THE Club, and that was through this list. I don't think I would have ever gone behind the "wall" to join a private club list. Christine, I think a lot of your ideas are really great. The idea of having specific items behind the wall, the pedigrees, the instant Nationals, ROM information..........................but I don't think it serves a good purpose to have a Members Only discussion list. I think it would become not much more than what you already accomplish by IM, email and telephone conversations. I can't think of the harm it is doing to discuss the NIS, the National sites, etc., in an open forum. Sure, we get the vociferous non-members writing emails about various subjects, but they shut down quickly when we mention they aren't members. And maybe then they join??? Can anybody think of one time or one discussion item that a non-member seriously or destructively influenced a decision? Or harmed the PC by reading an open forum? Sean's idea " Our Local clubs should be a way to filter information back to the membership. Do we have Board designees from each "area"? is an excellent one. It has come up before. That way, we can also encourage those club members who are NOT PC members to join and participate, to feel more involved with the PC. Christine had so many good ideas in her original post (along with those who had input to her), that I hope that the rest of the ideas don't get lost in the discussion of da'list vs "closed" list. Thanks for listening Stormy In a message dated 8/23/05 6:49:41 AM, plushpuppyohio@xxxxxxxxx writes: > Are we afraid of the "knowledge" non-members might offer? What is the > benefit of forming a discussion to exclude? The list could certainly never > initiate a vote, as not all members have access to the computer. Why create > yet ANOTHER list... and ask the PC to sponser it to boot? Who would > monitor it? Who would be responsible for discussions raised? Is the board going > to be accountable for every subject that comes up every day on the list? Are > rumors going to spread rampid when something is brought up that isnt > addressed? > > I think there should be designated times and locations that official GSDCA > business should be conducted. The Board meeting for example. Anything else > to me is just asking for Chaos. Our Local clubs should be a way to filter > information back to the membership. Do we have Board designees from each > "area"? Has that ever been considered. 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