[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fw: [amergsd] Stud Dog Owners
- From: Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
- To: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:08:23 -0700
This explanation is all fine and good.. this could happen to any one of us
and does.. hindsight is such a wonderful thing..
the issue, as I see it, is how is the situation being dealt with
***now***???
I certainly would hope people wouldn't go into a breeding knowing problems
would arise, but how do they respond when(if) problems do come up?? Do you
ignore the owners of the dogs with problems? Do you turn your back on them
and say.. "oh, well, we thought we were doing the right thing?" do you just
walk away??? or do you make an effort to compensate?
I am not saying the owners of a stud dog are the ones solely responsible..
that lies completely with the breeder.. however, stud dog owners need to be
better informed as to how that person breeding to their stud dog would
respond to problems that may come up..
It does take 2 to tango, and those 2 do carry a responsibility.
stud dog owners: it isn't enough to take the fee, do the breeding and walk
away - know WHO you are dealing with, HOW they demonstrate responsible
breeding, and find out if they maintain the same ethical standards as you
do. if you don't, be ready to take some heat if that person who bred to your
stud dog is greedy, unethical and irresponsible for the puppies you helped
produce..
JMHO..
Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
http://www.shadowacre.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Elsyd1@xxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fw: [amergsd] Stud Dog Owners
>
>
> Hi List, Edie and Jim have asked me to post this message from them
regarding
> the Judith Hale puppies. Hope this clears things up, and stops the
gossip.
> Thanks. Syd
>
>
> In a message dated 8/5/2005 9:59:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> GSDHALLMARK@xxxxxxx writes:
>
>
> Geez, things can get squishy around here.
>
> Okay, let's start from the beginning.
>
> Sonny is OFA good, DJD 1 in one elbow. He is German bred w/ some of the
top
> bloodlines in Germany. Every dog in his pedigree has good hips, has to
by
> German standards.
>
> Sonny was used on other bitches before the breedings to Gigi (of which we
> have no ownership). The litters were vibrant and healthy.
>
> He was then bred to Gigi, who we were told is OFA Excellent. Ch. Azeri
> (Annie) was a product of that breeding. She was prelimmed and we were
told her
> hips were good. Victory kennels have managed her career since she was
sold
> and have done a wonderful job w/ her.
>
> The breeder bred Gigi again to Sonny. This litter produced Callie -
owned
> by Victory Kennels and co-owned by us, Hallmark - (5 of 7 specialty BP
from
> the start and went WB and RWB her first time in the adult classes-thank
you Ken
> and Kathy) and Cherry. We bought Cherry from the breeder and when we had
> her prelimmed, the vet said she could maybe go fair. That obviously
wasn't
> good enough to remain in our breeding program so we placed her in a
wonderful
> pet home.
>
> Callie's x-rays looked good so the breeder bred Gigi again to Sonny.
Again,
> remember this was an OFA good dog w/ all good hips behind him bred to an
OFA
> Excellent bitch.
>
> This litter produced some awesome boys! A friend of ours bought one from
> the breeder and had him x-rayed and everything looked awesome. This pup
is
> being shown and herding 3 x a week and is like a genius!
>
> We just found out a month ago, one of Callie's littermates wouldn't x-ray
> from the 2nd litter and one from the 3rd litter wouldn't x-ray-which we
just
> found out this week. Mind you, these repeat breedings were performed by
the
> breeder with only knowledge of dogs getting prelimmed w/ good hips. Some
of
> the owners didn't have their dogs prelimmed when the repeats were done.
>
> At the time the repeats were done, everyone but Cherry was looking very
good
> orthopedically.
>
> I can only speak for us, as stud dog owners, that we wouldn't have
allowed
> any additional breedings if we had known there were bad hips involved.
>
> Again, Sonny has been used before, during and after these breedings w/
Gigi
> and there have been no problems. It does take TWO dogs to make puppies
after
> all.
>
> As far as Victory Kennels go, they have managed Annie, bought 1/2 of
Callie
> and scooped up 2 pups from the 3rd breeding, one of which Bill Tank
co-owns
> (who is a wonderful pup). We all had the same knowledge base of
orthopedics
> and as the stud dog owner, we can say that all information we had gleaned
was
> good.
>
> All this information just came about in the last few days. It shocked us
as
> just as it has shocked Victory and the owner of the pup in litter #3. As
> far as we knew, as far as EVERYONE knew, everything was good.
>
> We have learned a few lessons - one of which is to wait longer before
> allowing repeats. Although, the orthopedic information we HAD received
at the time
> of each repeat was good and everyone involved had the same information.
>
> We are extremely responsible w/ Sonny and our dogs in general. Anyone
who
> knows us knows how much we love and cherish our dogs and the breed.
Anyone
> who knows us knows that we wouldn't carelessly and purposefully breed any
dogs
> that produced known faults.
>
> We allowed an OFA Excellent bitch to be bred to an OFA Good dog w/ all
good
> hips behind him. The bitch comes from one of the top stud dogs in the
breed
> and Sonny, too, comes from the best German bloodlines.
>
> We allowed these breedings and the repeats because everyone was
prelimming
> fine, the pups had tremendous temperaments, work ethics, beauty and
movement.
> We continue to believe in Sonny.
>
> I hope everyone w/ a stud dog out there reads this, because if your dog
> produces any problems, no one remembers there is a bitch involved as well
and
> some people turn on you.
>
> Jim and Edie Hall
>
>
>
> Hallmark German Shepherds
> 'The Best of Both Worlds'
> Top American And German Lines
> _www.gsdhallmark.homestead.com/index.html_
> (http://www.gsdhallmark.homestead.com/index.html)
>
>
>
>
>
> Syd Mailberg 425-432-4144
> 23910 SE 276th St
> Maple Valley, Wa. 98038
> www.kingswoodgermanshepherds.homestead.com
>
>
>
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