We have spent a considerable amount of time arguing back and forth over all breeds vs specialty. What a waste of time. Fact: Any German Shepherd Dog without a disqualifying fault is eligible to be in any show ring. And we see them. Fact: There are lots of GSD registered every year. Fact: We as a breed club have the most amount of specialties every year. Fact: There is an all breed show happening every weekend within driving distance, far more than specialties. Fact: Most people showing dogs have to work for a living. Money IS a factor. Fact: When you get the CH certificate, the points are all the same, regardless of ring. Now, when you consider all those facts, it becomes obvious that all these registered dogs have to be showing somewhere. So, you will find many people will show at all breeds because they are close, they are frequent, and they want to. Many other will show at specialties because they believe this to be the best ring for their dog. You will hear only pretty non moving dogs are seen at the all breeds. So, by default, only ugly moving dogs are at the specialties?......Careful there. Ideally any winning GSD can and does win at both rings. I have had those dogs. And lots of listers have them also. Ask anyone about Mystique, Scoop, and Kellie records at the all breeds. Our local breed club combined the spring specialty with an all breed club, for a total of 3 shows in one weekend. We had a huge ring, and a specialty judge. Ideal conditions. We thought so. Our entry was only 1 point on each side. What a waste. Some judges like to do one breed only. Others like to branch out. I am one of those. I like other breeds, find the working group and the hound group very interesting. And have learned to appreciate our GSDs better because of that. GSDs remain number one in my heart, and always will. But I believe that other breeds have their merits also, and I want to learn more about them. This doesn't make me better than those judges who prefer to do one breed only. We have a difference of opinion, but neither one of us is either right or wrong. It just is. So, stop banging your heads against the wall and buy and breed those correct dogs that can win at both ring. Truth is until better dogs start coming at the all breed rings, specialists will keep complaining about those "walkers" all breed dogs wining. So, if your dogs are so good, take them to the all breeds. It is also truth that the all breeders will keep complaining about those ugly flying dogs at the specialties. Then bring your beautiful dogs to the specialties. Other than that, I feel this whole thread is a waste of energy. JMO Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================