You mean like Delaware County Kennel Club. An all breed with a supported entry, ha! I've used specialty judges the last 3 years and have not gotten more than a 1 point entry. I'm about ready to say the hell with the shepherd people who don't understand that I have dogs that can compete in both rings and have. We give a big ring as well and very few people support the show. Sorry Fred, I'd like to see some loyalty to the show chair who has the breed as well. Mackie Mackie & Dan Rader MacDan's German Shepherd Dogs & BonAmi Petit Basset Griffon Vendéens all bred to love, with love. Plush Puppy MidAtlantic Grooming Products Please visit our websites; http://macdangsd.homestead.com http://bonami.homestead.com http://www.plushpuppymidatlantic.com -----Original Message----- From: EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx To: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:53:36 EST Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: All breed and Specialty points are the same In a message dated 12/15/2005 11:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, InquestGSD writes: But Fred, that's one of the points I was making. There ARE all breed clubs going the distance and meeting our requests......large rings, breed judges......for the disappointment of maybe 1 point worth on entries.....a loss to the club that had majors the previous year..... I think there is plenty of blame to go around. Ileana There are a lot of specialty judges that will judge for a set amount per dog Then if its a one point show the club don't lose. I judged [ after 17years of refusing all breeds ] an all breed show in ohio aug. 5 2005 for what i though was 3 per dog and I knew it would cost me more. As it worked out I did it for minus 200 dollars as it is now 12-15 - 05 and I have yet to be paid one penny. Nothing is going to change. And I truly believe that all breed shows without a force like Jimmy [and he can't go on forever] will be the ruination of the German Shepherd. As it was of other breeds like Irish Setters there's a hunting breed that has a hard time hunting down it's food dish. But the coat and color are beautiful. Fred M. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================