In a message dated 12/15/2005 10:16:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: I agree take a good dog to the all breed but only if there is a judge who is expert in Shepherds and the ring is large enough to see the dogs move. And the AKC stays away from our ring. Most other breeds are not judged in motion Hence the need for the lesser of the three evils [1] show nervous dogs that will run all day [2] dope them up so they will run all day or [3] the one we almost all use double handling to give our hopefully sound dogs an incentive to gait. Fred M. But Fred, that's one of the points I was making. There ARE all breed clubs going the distance and meeting our requests......large rings, breed judges......for the disappointment of maybe 1 point worth on entries.....a loss to the club that had majors the previous year..... I think there is plenty of blame to go around. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================