It sounds like then we are all in agreement on points 1 and 2. As for the mailed versions, I'll continue to mail them, but I suggest that in 2012 we begin a policy (like EVAC) of a dues rider for anyone who wants a printed copy. I will continue to send NL's to Steve's GCSP volunteers no charge. Everyone on the same page with these? Dick On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Prause, Mitchell F. (Spec Cas Risk Svcs UW Suppo) <mitch.prause@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I checked on a couple items last night in the Treasurer records. The 2011 > membership list of paying members has 1 newsletter-only subscription, > somebody in Ohio, and they have an email address. We also have one member, > Jerry Belcher, that has no email address and requests a printed copy of the > newsletter. > > Peter occasionally requests reimbursement for postage. We paid $8-10 both > last June and July but it may be like many that expend money and don't get > reimbursement every time. > > I agree with those that have noted that items 1 & 2 are essentially the > same. Mitch > > -----Original Message----- > From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: > sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hanrahan > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 6:12 AM > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter > > How many GCSPNR volunteers don't have e-mail? I think Mystery Bob is the > only one. That said, it's not that big a cost. > Who knows, maybe Bob will break down one of these days and get a computer. > Ok, maybe not. > Chris > > > > > ---- "Steve D." <fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ============> That sounds great, Chris, but why should you absorb the cost? > The printed > issue I mention is in line with the punish, er, reward for volunteers of the > GCSP. It's not a big deal. It's just an additional deter, er, incentive > for volunteers. I just wanted to point out that it's used for volunteers > that don't have internet access at all, and no desire to get it. Whatever > is decided is fine, unless Chris bears the cost himself. That doesn't seem > far to me. Take it out of the 50-50 raffle proceeds. ;-) > > Steve Dodder > Chairman, SAC Novice Group > Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim Director, Stone Haven > Observatory > > fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx > > http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com > > > > > From: chris.hanrahan@xxxxxxx > > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:36:56 -0700 > > > > Dick, et al. > > My votes are: > > 1) Great idea as long as it's a link, as has been standard practice. > > 2) Yes, this one seems obvious. Who really cares if the club gets to > > see it before the rest of the world? Make the info available. > > 3) My thought is to offer the current recipients of hard-copies their > > newsletters gratis for the balance of 2011, with a stipulation added > > to each subsequent newsletter release indicating that this "service" > > will no longer be available beginning with the January 2012 issue. To > > date the club has been very fortunate to have Peter offer his printing > > services at no cost; however, I don't think we should continue to impose > further. > > -- > > Steve D, I will personally make sure to print and send copies of the > > newsletter (associated with GCSPNR stuff) to Mystery Bob, at my > > expense. I think I have his address buried in the archives. > > -- > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Peter Argenziano > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:17 PM > > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [sac-board] Re: Newsletter > > > > Just to clarify, Steve... the club isn't generating revenue from the > > distribution of mailed newsletters, rather it represents a net > > expense. > > A bargain-rate quick printing establishment would charge about $2 per > > issue to print the newsletter. So, if we only do > > 11 issues annually (no December issue, as has been the history) - that > > comes to $22 in printing costs. Postage varies between 42¢ and 60¢ per > > issue, which comes to $4.62 to $6.60 annually. So, for each recipient > > of a mailed newsletter, the newsletter-only member pays $14, while it > > costs the club between $26.62 and $28.60. I'm not sure that is a > > sustainable subsidy. > > > > Granted, I have been able to get them printed at no expense to the > > club in the past... I'm just not sure I want to continue this (or even > > encourage it). That's why my vote would be for those members wanting a > > printed copy mailed to them - they should pay the actual cost. > > > > The prices cited above are for printing in black on 75 gsm bond paper. > > Printing in color on higher quality paper would probably quadruple the > > printing expense. > > > > Peter > > > > On 2/28/11 12:30 PM, Steve D. wrote: > > > If we do 1 and 2, we may as well eliminate the "NL Only" membership > > > fee > > and category. How many of these do we have? How much, if any, > > revenue would we lose? > > > I'm against 3 because some of my GCSPNR volunteers do not have > > > email, and > > are not online at all and therefore would be out of luck vis-a-vis the > NL. > > > > > > Steve Dodder > > > Chairman, SAC Novice Group > > > Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim Director, Stone > > > Haven Observatory > > > > > > fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: rharshaw2@xxxxxxx > > >> To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Subject: [sac-board] Newsletter > > >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:05:17 -0700 > > >> > > >> Board, > > >> > > >> > > >> I'd like your okay for a couple of ideas. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> (1) Make the newsletter available n/c to all science teachers in > the > > >> State. (Walt Thomas is looking into whether or not there is such a > > >> email distribution list and whether or not the state education > > >> department would let us use it.) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> (2) I'd like to put the CURRENT version of the newsletter on the > web > > page > > >> for viewing by the public the month it is released. That is, put > > >> March's > > NL > > >> on the web page this month, not in 3 or 6 months. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> (3) I'd like to discontinue all printed copies of the NL. With the > > March > > >> issue, I'd like to mail the few we do and include a cover letter > > >> stating that this is the last hard copy issue they will receive, > > >> and that if they want to continue to receive issues, they need to > > >> supply us with an email address. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Can you please chime in on these points with your thoughts ASAP? > > >> I'd > > like > > >> permission to do this starting March. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Richard Harshaw > > >> > > >> Cave Creek, Arizona > > >> > > >> Brilliant Sky Observatory > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************ > This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of > addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged > information. 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