[realmusicians] Re: Hello From D!J!X!
- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:43:49 -0400
That's what I think, that it does some kind of convertion on the fly for the
resources of the plug in and maps them out to the OS's native resources,
which would be just as if the plug was a native x64 app to the OS, so then
that means that cakewalk's implementation of the translation better be darn
good to avoid the latencies that these kinds of things add to the process.
D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:33 AM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Hello From D!J!X!
Yeah, of course I have no idea exactly what Sonar is doing, but it may just
be a simple little trick programmers can use to make things more efficient.
For instance, on a 32 bit system I use a 32 bit word length for all
variables which are 32 bit and lower; like simple integer math functions.
The data flow will be larger but actually speed up processing because 32 bit
word lengths are what the 32 bit OS and/or processor is going to use
regardless. If I use smaller word lengths; like the actual size of a data
type, it all has to be packaged together into 32 bit words anyway, then
parsed back out in to its elements for processing and back in to 32 bit
words for the return flight. so that's what adds more processor overhead and
slows things down.
Hope this makes sense.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> The 64 bit processing thing you speak of is more on sonar's engine than
> the
> processor, you can't really use pure 64 apps on an x86 processor... Even
> then you can't really use x86 apps on an x64 processor without the help of
> a
> mediator such as the wow64 protocol.
> The bit bridge thing is what I want to check out, to see if it just runs
> x86
> plugs inside sonar as 32bit plugs, meaning that the OS would have to use
> something like wow64 to make it work (might cause slow
> downs/instabilities),
> or if sonar does the convertion itself and presents the plug to the OS as
> a
> native 64bit app (which then would depend on how good cakewalk's protocol
> is to measure stability/speed).
>
> HTH, D!J!X!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:29 PM
> To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Hello From D!J!X!
>
> Well, they've got their bit bridge technology which does some kind of
> voodo,
> I don't understand it, but they say it works.
>
> YOU can turn on 64 bit processing even in a 32 bit environment, again, not
> exactly sure what that means, but it seems to make things sound better,
> bigger, etc.
>
> So it's some sort of hybrid thing.
>
> Maybe you can explain it to me 'grin'.
>
> I know just enough about this stuff to be dangerous 'grin'.
>
>
> At 09:14 AM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>>Hmmm... So you're saying those 32 bit plug-ins won't run at all? Is
>>that just because they're plug-ins and Sonar has to be all or nothing?
>>That is, if the host is running natively in 64 bit all of the clients
>>must as well?
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>>>Hey Tom, sonar has been 64 bit since version 5.
>>>
>>>The real nut cruncher is letting all the plug-ins catch up, especially
>>>third party ones, many of our favs just won't work in 64 bit.
>>>
>>>Especially the dxi ones.
>>>
>>>I understand my favorite synth hypersonic2 won't work in 64 bit yet.
>>>
>>>But they'll get there, but what you bet lots of good stuff especially
>>>stuff that worked for us will be orphaned.
>>>
>>>
>>>At 08:48 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Hey D!J!X!
>>>>
>>>>Welcome aboard.
>>>>
>>>>First question. Is Sonar 8 ready for 64 bit processing or does it
>>>>require a special 64 bit version. I'm just asking because you
>>>>mentioned it and I'm too lazy to look in the manual right now.
>>>>Grin. Also, the thought of upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit on one of my
>>>>systems is rolling around in the back of my head.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "D!J!X!"
>>>><megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello guys, not sure who's on here and who's not, just wanted to say
>>>>>hello and let you know that I'm onboard and will be as long as this
>>>>>doesn't turn to midimag part 2 lol...
>>>>>For those who don't know me, D!J!X! is what i go by, real name is
>>>>>Xavier, here to help in whatever i can... DJX Studios excells in
>>>>>anything from website and graphic design to music production to
>>>>>building/repairing computers and workstations! So feel free to pick
>>>>>my brain and i'll do my best to help!
>>>>>Speaking of building computers, after leaving midimag and having
>>>>>time to then do some real work :-), I had the pleasure of putting
>>>>>together and configuring a daw for a client using the i7 920
>>>>>processor and the x58 chipset on windows7 x64, man! What a joy to
>>>>>see sonar x64 run on that thing!!! Can't wait to put 1 together for
> myself...
>>>>>So yea, hello, hi, D!J!X! is here! lol... Looking forward to
>>>>>interacting with the family again... O yea, THX Chris and your wife
>>>>>for finding us (real
>>>>>peoples) another home... Glad to know that I'll be able to enjoy and
>>>>>learn from Tom's informative posts once again... :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards, D!J!X!
>>>>>
>>>>>
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