[real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader
- From: Robert Beach <rbeach@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 04:43:56 -0500
Yes, this will work if the PDF is not an image only PDF and if the reading flow
is not mixed up with formatting. Of course, this works very well if the PDF
was tagged correctly, but then you really don't even need to save out to plain
text. <smile>
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From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Duyahn Walker [themusicman1@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:50 PM
To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader
I was able to grab my manual for my talk box out of a PDF file. And the file
had pictures in it. I just saved it as a text file.
Duyahn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Beach" <rbeach@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader
Bret,
If you have an image only PDF, there really isn't much you can do except OCR
it and recreate it with the text you get out of the process. You can't
really tag a image only PDF and make it work.
The way I create accessible PDF documents is by starting with a properly
created Word document. This means including alt text on images, properly
using tables, coluns, and tabs, and above all, using styles for formatting
and structure. Oh yes, avoid those evil text boxes!
If you create the Word document correctly, it is rather easy to save it as a
structured PDF file. If you have Adobe Acrobat Pro on your system, it
installs into Word and gives you the ability to save to PDF from Word. If
you set the preferences right, the document "should" be fine.
However, having said all that, this method is not 100% perfect. There is
another step one can do to help insure the document is accessible. You can
pull the PDF file into Acrobat Pro and work through the Tag Tree.
Unfortunately, the tree is not 100 percent accessible since it is a visual
system. JAWS reads most of it okay, but it is difficult to see what portion
of text the selected tree element is referring to.
You can also run the Acrobat PDF Accessibility Checker to help with the
process.
I generally create the document in Word the way I want it, then save out to
PDF. Once I have the PDF file, I open it in Acrobat and see how well JAWS
works with it. Most of the time, there are no problems.
If you'd like to find information created by an expert, I refer you to two
places. Karen McCall of Karlen Communications has lots of good info on her
web site regarding accessible document production. She has tips for Word
and PDF files. Most of her info is free, but if you want to spend a bit of
money, she has two books that are good. One deals with accessible documents
in Word and all of the Office features (version 2007 and 2010), the other
deals with generating and proofing accessible PDF files in Acrobat Pro. The
URL is:
http://www.karlencommunications.com
Also, the High Tech Training Center of the California Community Colleges has
lots of free information. Some of it is on accessible documents including
Word and PDF. Believe me, you'll find more there than you'll ever use, but
they have lots of documents. I know these folks and they know their
business. Their URL is:
http://www.htctu.net
HTH!
Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS 66112
913-288-7671
rbeach@xxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Bret Kroeker
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:35 PM
To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader
Hi Robert,
I was wondering if you had any documentation or if you could explain how to
create a proper pdf document? I have been sent several pdf's that are just
image-only pdf's and it drives me nuts. Maybe if we could explain to people
how to create them, maybe it will start to catch on. Not sure, but it's
worth a shot. Thanks.
Bret
> From: rbeach@xxxxxxxxx
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:01:03 -0500
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader
>
> If the message says "empty document," then the PDF is an image only PDF.
> The only way you will be able to read this document is to run OCR on it.
>
> If the message is "processing document," then there may be text in the
> document for the screen access technologies to read. Even if there is
> text, that doesn't mean it will be tagged for proper reading order and/or
> navigation.
>
> If created correctly, PDF files are just fine. Unfortunately, many people
> don't know how to create them correctly.
>
>
> Robert Lee Beach
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Kansas City Kansas Community College
> 7250 State Avenue
> Kansas City, KS 66112
> 913-288-7671
> rbeach@xxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eddy
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:44 AM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [real-eyes] Need help with Adobe Reader
>
> Hello guys:
>
> I need your help with Adobe Reader. I couldn't read PDF file on Braille
> display and I went into accessible setting to get it straight but it
> doesn't work. It alwaqys says "Alert: Empty Document" or "Alert: Document
> processed".
>
> Thank you.
>
> Eddy
>
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