I was able to grab my manual for my talk box out of a PDF file. And the file had pictures in it. I just saved it as a text file. Duyahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Beach" <rbeach@xxxxxxxxx> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader Bret, If you have an image only PDF, there really isn't much you can do except OCR it and recreate it with the text you get out of the process. You can't really tag a image only PDF and make it work. The way I create accessible PDF documents is by starting with a properly created Word document. This means including alt text on images, properly using tables, coluns, and tabs, and above all, using styles for formatting and structure. Oh yes, avoid those evil text boxes! If you create the Word document correctly, it is rather easy to save it as a structured PDF file. If you have Adobe Acrobat Pro on your system, it installs into Word and gives you the ability to save to PDF from Word. If you set the preferences right, the document "should" be fine. However, having said all that, this method is not 100% perfect. There is another step one can do to help insure the document is accessible. You can pull the PDF file into Acrobat Pro and work through the Tag Tree. Unfortunately, the tree is not 100 percent accessible since it is a visual system. JAWS reads most of it okay, but it is difficult to see what portion of text the selected tree element is referring to. You can also run the Acrobat PDF Accessibility Checker to help with the process. I generally create the document in Word the way I want it, then save out to PDF. Once I have the PDF file, I open it in Acrobat and see how well JAWS works with it. Most of the time, there are no problems. If you'd like to find information created by an expert, I refer you to two places. Karen McCall of Karlen Communications has lots of good info on her web site regarding accessible document production. She has tips for Word and PDF files. Most of her info is free, but if you want to spend a bit of money, she has two books that are good. One deals with accessible documents in Word and all of the Office features (version 2007 and 2010), the other deals with generating and proofing accessible PDF files in Acrobat Pro. The URL is: http://www.karlencommunications.com Also, the High Tech Training Center of the California Community Colleges has lots of free information. Some of it is on accessible documents including Word and PDF. Believe me, you'll find more there than you'll ever use, but they have lots of documents. I know these folks and they know their business. Their URL is: http://www.htctu.net HTH! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bret Kroeker Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:35 PM To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader Hi Robert, I was wondering if you had any documentation or if you could explain how to create a proper pdf document? I have been sent several pdf's that are just image-only pdf's and it drives me nuts. Maybe if we could explain to people how to create them, maybe it will start to catch on. Not sure, but it's worth a shot. Thanks. Bret > From: rbeach@xxxxxxxxx > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:01:03 -0500 > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Need help with Adobe Reader > > If the message says "empty document," then the PDF is an image only PDF. > The only way you will be able to read this document is to run OCR on it. > > If the message is "processing document," then there may be text in the > document for the screen access technologies to read. Even if there is > text, that doesn't mean it will be tagged for proper reading order and/or > navigation. > > If created correctly, PDF files are just fine. Unfortunately, many people > don't know how to create them correctly. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@xxxxxxxxx > > -----Original Message----- > From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eddy > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:44 AM > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [real-eyes] Need help with Adobe Reader > > Hello guys: > > I need your help with Adobe Reader. I couldn't read PDF file on Braille > display and I went into accessible setting to get it straight but it > doesn't work. It alwaqys says "Alert: Empty Document" or "Alert: Document > processed". > > Thank you. > > Eddy > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, > go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes