Hi! [Alex] > Graphical theme: Rudi used to go by the pseudonym Red Devil, so for me the > BSD daemon is somehow authentic depiction of Rudi ;-) > https://www.google.at/images?q=bsd%20daemon Ah yes, indeed - I actually only vaguely remembered the "red devil" part of it. Maybe we could include this in the games somehow? E.g. hack a BSD server within 12 minutes, one shot every 3 minutes? ;) The red hair coloring would go into that direction thought, correct? Christoph, do you know where to get that one? [Christoph] >>>> nur zu den Polos, ich habe: >>>> 1 dunkelblaues XL (mit roten Murauer Logo, gestickt) >>>> 1 ausgewaschenes war-amal-dunkelblaues XL >>>> 1 ausgewaschenes war-amal-schwartes M Super, danke! Super, thanks! Super, hvala! [Hubert] > About the trip to Blava I would need to know more about the schedule of the > event. My girlfriend and I are moving from our flat to a house in lower > austria and we have to transport all the stuff on the upcoming weekend. So > for me it depends when we leave from vienna and we plan to come back. When we plan to leave: I was thinking sometime in the afternoon, though perhaps not all too late. E.g. 2-3 PM, then we are there at 3-4, have time for starter drinks underground, some games while there is still light. As to coming back: honestly, I don't know. I would have ventured for something of the kind 1-2 AM, then if we (or if Rudi) is still up to it, we can always continue in Vienna. > I think a meeting to discuss all the details would be great. For me Känguruh > and 7stern would be good meeting points. Manu, which day do you suggest for > the meeting? I'd suggest friday - I know it is late, but then Luka and Filip can join, as they both arrive in the afternoon / evening, AFAIK. Cheers, manu On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Hubert Lehner <hubert.lehner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Servus, > > About the trip to Blava I would need to know more about the schedule of the > event. My girlfriend and I are moving from our flat to a house in lower > austria and we have to transport all the stuff on the upcoming weekend. So > for me it depends when we leave from vienna and we plan to come back. > > I think a meeting to discuss all the details would be great. For me Känguruh > and 7stern would be good meeting points. Manu, which day do you suggest for > the meeting? > > cheers, Hubert > > > > 2013/4/22 Filip Kis <filip.kis@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> Kiene problem :) >> >> Filip >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Christoph Lanz >> <christoph.lanz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> LOL, I just realised that this was no private reply :-D >>> Sorry for the German, then. >>> >>> Looking forward to this Saturday! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Christoph >>> >>> >>> On 22 April 2013 22:52, Christoph Lanz <christoph.lanz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> # private reply >>>> >>>> Servus Manu, >>>> >>>> nur zu den Polos, ich habe: >>>> 1 dunkelblaues XL (mit roten Murauer Logo, gestickt) >>>> 1 ausgewaschenes war-amal-dunkelblaues XL >>>> 1 ausgewaschenes war-amal-schwartes M >>>> >>>> ...und meine Größe ist eigentlich L (hab die jeweils geschenkt >>>> bekommen). D.h. ich tät selbst wahrscheinlich das XL anziehen, und könnte >>>> die anderen beiden wem borgen. >>>> >>>> Und noch ein personal remark: es kann sein, dass ich Sonntag >>>> Nachmittag/Abend was für meine Firma machen muß :-P insofern bin ich sehr >>>> froh darüber, wenn wir noch in der Nacht einen Rücktransport via Autos nach >>>> Wien haben. Danke fürs Organisieren! >>>> >>>> lg, >>>> CGA >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21 April 2013 20:54, Manuel Bernhardt <bernhardt.manuel@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for all the ideas, this will be great! >>>>> >>>>> So if I may do a short summary: >>>>> >>>>> - so far everyone likes the idea of going to Bratislava (with public >>>>> transport, at least for one direction) >>>>> - ideas for wearing something common: rather no t-shirt, but something >>>>> smaller (pins were mentioned), or maybe a common color (blue polo was >>>>> mentioned), and also: Rudi-style beard, red hair (easy to organise) >>>>> - Bratislava: Vanja has a Slovak work colleague who may know some pubs >>>>> - strip club: it sounds as though Rudi may not be entirely opposed to >>>>> it since he mentioned a tentative at a Stammtisch >>>>> - themes: musicals, Star Wars, ITC / makumba >>>>> - game ideas: have Rudi perform some musicals in the street, have him >>>>> do something geeky / coding combined with alcohol (Social Network) >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if I forgot something... >>>>> >>>>> Here's some additional thoughts from me: >>>>> >>>>> - kidnapping Rudi with only a small group and bringing him as fast as >>>>> possible to an underground pub would probably be very effective for a >>>>> "where the hell am I" moment, but on the other hand may not be as fun >>>>> as not all the group is together. An alternative would be to all go >>>>> together (without saying a word), with the risk of Rudi finding out >>>>> where he's going on the way. I'm personally not really decided which >>>>> one is best, I could probably easily organize a car and driver if we >>>>> decide to do this. The "where on earth am I" factor sounds tempting, I >>>>> must say :) --- We also need something to cover his eyes. >>>>> >>>>> - for coming back from Bratislava, I need to check for transit >>>>> services still, it would be stupid to be stranded at the middle of the >>>>> night :) Help with that part would be appreciated >>>>> >>>>> - pubs in Bratislava: Marian Buhinici, who some of you may know, is >>>>> living in Bratislava, so I could ask him for some input as well. >>>>> >>>>> - outfits: I like the idea of the "temporary red hair" because it is >>>>> very simple to put into practice. Rudi-style beard is cool too, if >>>>> feasible! Now about clothes: I like the "suit up" idea, however it may >>>>> be trickier to achieve, and esp. to get Rudi to "suit up" for a >>>>> surprise kidnapping may not be straightforward. So what I would >>>>> propose is to all wear blue jeans and a dark-blue or black polo. I've >>>>> got 2 of those, in L, so I could provide for one additional one - it >>>>> should also be feasible to buy some of those within the week. Could >>>>> everyone tell me who does _not_ have a dark-blue or black polo (or who >>>>> has additional ones)? >>>>> >>>>> - strip club: I am personally tempted to give this a try, and also my >>>>> girlfriend organized a male stripper at a bachelorette party not too >>>>> long ago, so I have some catching up to do :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> manu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Christoph Lanz >>>>> <christoph.lanz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> > Hi guys, >>>>> > >>>>> > This all sounds like fun :-) I love the idea of kidnapping him to >>>>> > Blava! I >>>>> > also think going there by public transport would be ok. But for >>>>> > coming back >>>>> > we should organise something. >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm not really up-to-date about pubs there. A quick look at >>>>> > localvortex.net >>>>> > shows one directly in Bratlislava. I guess we should make sure that >>>>> > all >>>>> > places we plan to visit are still there and recommended by someone we >>>>> > know. >>>>> > >>>>> > About outfits: I'm no big fan of quickly-printed t-shirts with a >>>>> > photo on >>>>> > them. I personally don't own an ITC polo, but since this is the one >>>>> > piece of >>>>> > outfit that I've seen Rudi wear by far the most times: how about all >>>>> > of us >>>>> > wearing a dark blue polo? Maybe we could do ITC buttons for everyone >>>>> > or at >>>>> > least the ones who don't own an ITC polo? >>>>> > >>>>> > The beard thing is a good idea. I'm not sure if we'll all manage. >>>>> > Rudi also >>>>> > had his hair partly coloured in red for several years since I knew >>>>> > him (cf. >>>>> > his PA pic). Maybe we can organise something like that? I seem to >>>>> > remember >>>>> > that there were these cans to colour your hair red temporarily, like >>>>> > for >>>>> > carnival. We could do that easily, I guess. >>>>> > >>>>> > Oh, and I'd love it if there was something related to Star Wars ^^ >>>>> > >>>>> > About musicals: thanks for mentioning that. I tried to find an old >>>>> > pic of >>>>> > Rudi and me doing the Titanic thing (see attachment), and now I have >>>>> > that >>>>> > horrible Titanic song in my head all day. Is there an elevated place >>>>> > somewhere in Blava with a nice view where we could make him sing or >>>>> > something? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > About strippers: I'm no fan of that. But as mentioned, Rudi talked >>>>> > about >>>>> > Andreas P.'s bachelor party and seemed ok with it. I personally >>>>> > wouldn't go, >>>>> > but well, I'll join you all. At Andreas' party they couldn't enter >>>>> > the >>>>> > planned strip club because their bachelor was too drunk and it showed >>>>> > (according to Rudi), so maybe the lesson to learn here is to not get >>>>> > Rudi >>>>> > too drunk ;-) >>>>> > >>>>> > Cheers! >>>>> > Christoph >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 18 April 2013 18:15, Manuel Bernhardt <bernhardt.manuel@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Hi guys, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> thanks all for the great ideas! I have only very limited Internet so >>>>> >> I >>>>> >> will read in details just a bit later. Just wanted to say that I >>>>> >> added >>>>> >> Hubert and Andreas to the list, so we are now 13! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Cheers from Tenerife, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> manu >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Vanja Rojko <vanja.rojko@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Hello everyone, >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Manuel, I like the idea of kidnapping him to Bratislava and doing >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > partying there very much! >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > This might be a bit more difficult to organize but It would be >>>>> >> > even >>>>> >> > better >>>>> >> > if only two/three of us appear at his place, blindfold him and >>>>> >> > take him >>>>> >> > (Could we rent some transportation? Ask some car driving female >>>>> >> > Best >>>>> >> > friend >>>>> >> > for a favour / reimburse the costs etc...) directly to the place >>>>> >> > in >>>>> >> > Bratislava (some underground bar) where the rest of us would >>>>> >> > already be >>>>> >> > waiting...it would take him some time to realize where the hell he >>>>> >> > is :D >>>>> >> > :D >>>>> >> > What do you think? Would that be doable? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > As I read, Bratislava is a common place for the British stag >>>>> >> > parties. I >>>>> >> > guess the locals are probably sick of groups of drunk men abusing >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > east-west price difference so my suggestion would be maybe not to >>>>> >> > do >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > obvious t-shirt-this-guy-is-getting-married-thing but rather to go >>>>> >> > for >>>>> >> > something subtle. I find the idea that we all wear Rudi style >>>>> >> > facial >>>>> >> > hair >>>>> >> > fantastic! :) We should really agree on that soon enough so >>>>> >> > everyone has >>>>> >> > enough time to grow it.. :D >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I guess that we will be doing some pub crawling in BRA. Manu do >>>>> >> > you have >>>>> >> > some ideas already? I have a Slovak work colleague (I know that's >>>>> >> > hard >>>>> >> > to >>>>> >> > believe) so I will ask for some route recommendations. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > About the geeky programming ideas, maybe I'm wrong, but I would >>>>> >> > not put >>>>> >> > too >>>>> >> > much of an emphasis on that. He is, and will be, doing it for his >>>>> >> > whole >>>>> >> > life so maybe the bachelors party should be spared. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I also find it really sympatisch how Manuel carefully asked about >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > strippers and nobody answered. I personally have a strong moral >>>>> >> > codex >>>>> >> > that >>>>> >> > forbids me to look at underdressed women dancing around poles. >>>>> >> > But, just >>>>> >> > on >>>>> >> > that special night, just that one time, I am ready to sacrifice >>>>> >> > it. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > ...... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Sacrifice it because that is what friends are for. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Seriously, at the last Alumni Stammtisch Rudi was telling a story >>>>> >> > about >>>>> >> > how >>>>> >> > they visited two strip clubs in Vienna and were kicked out. I >>>>> >> > don't >>>>> >> > remember >>>>> >> > what was the occasion then but we have to make it right this >>>>> >> > time.... >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > And last but not the least, my suggestion would be for us all to >>>>> >> > SUIT >>>>> >> > UP! >>>>> >> > It's going to be LEGEN - wait for it - DARY! >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ijk3nepXmM >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYb0B_-jaBU >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Looking forward to it very much!! >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Filip Kis <filip.kis@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Related to geeky, programming task... the scene from Social >>>>> >> >> Network >>>>> >> >> comes >>>>> >> >> to my mind: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKmDWDUZ5A >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Filip >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Luka Vidmar >>>>> >> >> <luka.vidmar@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Hej, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> some comments from my side: >>>>> >> >>> - would be cool to all wear a piece of sth similar, not >>>>> >> >>> necessarily >>>>> >> >>> tshirt. what about head or rudi's beard? Or our PA code on the >>>>> >> >>> foreheads? >>>>> >> >>> - lets add some geeky, programming related tasks >>>>> >> >>> - i like the idea of Bratislava. At least on the way there i >>>>> >> >>> would >>>>> >> >>> prefer public transrporation, cause some tasks cam be done with >>>>> >> >>> random >>>>> >> >>> ppl >>>>> >> >>> on the train/bus >>>>> >> >>> - Roadtrip theme sounds cool, but then i guess we should all >>>>> >> >>> watch it >>>>> >> >>> before. On Friday eve? >>>>> >> >>> - what about making him perform musicles on streets of >>>>> >> >>> Bratislava? >>>>> >> >>> - some parts of Makumba party should be definitely included >>>>> >> >>> - sth in Eastern Europena style, as his wife-to-be is from there >>>>> >> >>> and >>>>> >> >>> we >>>>> >> >>> are apparently having paty there >>>>> >> >>> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY1MVQeeStY) >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Thats for now. Looking fwd to it. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Luka >>>>> >> >>> . >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On 12 April 2013 19:49, Stefan Pröll <stefan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> Hi! >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> A weird thing, at least in my perception, is that he likes >>>>> >> >>>> Musicals. >>>>> >> >>>> In >>>>> >> >>>> a three day business trip To London, he insisted in visiting >>>>> >> >>>> two >>>>> >> >>>> Musicals >>>>> >> >>>> :-) >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> Maybe thats also something to tease him... >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> Filip Kis <filip.kis@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> Just quick brainstorming: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> - what are the things that Rudi likes, but doesn't necessarily >>>>> >> >>>>> share >>>>> >> >>>>> with Diana (football comes to mind as one thing) >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> Other then this he likes: >>>>> >> >>>>> - golf >>>>> >> >>>>> - table tennis >>>>> >> >>>>> - video games >>>>> >> >>>>> - Star Wars >>>>> >> >>>>> - beer >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> Doing T-shirts is doable. Rudi love's polos (the classical ITC >>>>> >> >>>>> ones >>>>> >> >>>>> he >>>>> >> >>>>> has in abundance) so maybe consider that. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have an access to 3D printer that can print 15 cm^3 objects, >>>>> >> >>>>> so if >>>>> >> >>>>> we >>>>> >> >>>>> come up with something geeky, fun and useful (at least for >>>>> >> >>>>> that one >>>>> >> >>>>> night) >>>>> >> >>>>> we could do that. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> That's my contribution for now. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> Filip >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Manuel Bernhardt >>>>> >> >>>>> <bernhardt.manuel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> sorry for the delay with sending this mail, my week has been >>>>> >> >>>>>> a >>>>> >> >>>>>> little >>>>> >> >>>>>> crazy. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> We're now already 10 people for the bachelor party (so 11 >>>>> >> >>>>>> including >>>>> >> >>>>>> Rudi), with so far 2 people coming from abroad, and I expect >>>>> >> >>>>>> between >>>>> >> >>>>>> 5-6 more people to join. So this should be fun ;) >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Given that there are only 2 weeks left, I'd like to get >>>>> >> >>>>>> started >>>>> >> >>>>>> soon >>>>> >> >>>>>> on brainstorming for what we're going to do. An additional >>>>> >> >>>>>> challenge >>>>> >> >>>>>> for me is that I'm going to be on Teneriffa next week, in >>>>> >> >>>>>> part >>>>> >> >>>>>> climbing a volcano, and they don't seem to have wifi on that >>>>> >> >>>>>> particular volcano, so I'll have some catching up to do when >>>>> >> >>>>>> back. >>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm >>>>> >> >>>>>> sure we'll manage to make a great programme for the bachelor >>>>> >> >>>>>> party >>>>> >> >>>>>> and >>>>> >> >>>>>> arrange everything on time nonetheless! >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Talking about which: the idea I had so far was to start the >>>>> >> >>>>>> bachelor >>>>> >> >>>>>> party in Vienna, e.g. at Rudi's place (Diana won't be there >>>>> >> >>>>>> that >>>>> >> >>>>>> week-end, she'll be in Romania trying out the wedding dress, >>>>> >> >>>>>> which >>>>> >> >>>>>> by >>>>> >> >>>>>> the way, fun fact, is produced by an Austrian company in >>>>> >> >>>>>> Romania) >>>>> >> >>>>>> and >>>>> >> >>>>>> to then move / kidnap him to... Bratislava! >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Some of the reasons I came up with, as an excuse for having >>>>> >> >>>>>> this >>>>> >> >>>>>> idea: >>>>> >> >>>>>> - it's really not far away from Vienna, so not a very long >>>>> >> >>>>>> transit >>>>> >> >>>>>> time >>>>> >> >>>>>> - the drinks are likely going to be cheaper >>>>> >> >>>>>> - the strippers too (well, we have to check if that's one >>>>> >> >>>>>> thing we >>>>> >> >>>>>> want to do or not) >>>>> >> >>>>>> - I have fond pieces of memories of the bars in the >>>>> >> >>>>>> underground of >>>>> >> >>>>>> the >>>>> >> >>>>>> inner city. Though only pieces. Which may be a good sign. >>>>> >> >>>>>> - As far as I know, Rudi made a boatload of people watch >>>>> >> >>>>>> "Europtrip", >>>>> >> >>>>>> and not only once - so much so that I know whole dialogues by >>>>> >> >>>>>> hearth >>>>> >> >>>>>> by now (and so does he, much better than me, I think). One of >>>>> >> >>>>>> the >>>>> >> >>>>>> scenes is about the main characters getting to Bratislava >>>>> >> >>>>>> (thinking >>>>> >> >>>>>> they were in fact in Berlin), then realizing it, and uttering >>>>> >> >>>>>> "Oh >>>>> >> >>>>>> my >>>>> >> >>>>>> god, we're in Eastern Europe" (the movie is a pretty >>>>> >> >>>>>> exaggerated >>>>> >> >>>>>> parody of a number of European countries as well as the US, >>>>> >> >>>>>> it gets >>>>> >> >>>>>> to >>>>> >> >>>>>> be really fun once you've watched it 2-3 times). So >>>>> >> >>>>>> theme-wise, I >>>>> >> >>>>>> think this could be rather funny. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> There's of course a little bit of logistics to handle, about >>>>> >> >>>>>> getting >>>>> >> >>>>>> there and getting back sometime at night, so I was thinking >>>>> >> >>>>>> to rent >>>>> >> >>>>>> a >>>>> >> >>>>>> mini-van with driver or something of the kind, at least for >>>>> >> >>>>>> the way >>>>> >> >>>>>> back. If anyone has a better idea, or has a proposal of where >>>>> >> >>>>>> to >>>>> >> >>>>>> call, >>>>> >> >>>>>> please shout! I'll look into it more into details now as >>>>> >> >>>>>> well, >>>>> >> >>>>>> there >>>>> >> >>>>>> are regular buses for about 60 € per 10 rides, just at night >>>>> >> >>>>>> for >>>>> >> >>>>>> coming back, having something more comfortable might not be >>>>> >> >>>>>> too bad >>>>> >> >>>>>> an >>>>> >> >>>>>> idea. >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Some more thoughts, in random order: >>>>> >> >>>>>> - do we want to make t-shirts (can we arrange t-shirts on >>>>> >> >>>>>> such a >>>>> >> >>>>>> short >>>>> >> >>>>>> notice) >>>>> >> >>>>>> - what kind of (drinking) games and other games do we want to >>>>> >> >>>>>> play >>>>> >> >>>>>> - where to go to in Bratislava >>>>> >> >>>>>> - strippers? :) >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Ok, I think this mail is long enough by now. Now it's your >>>>> >> >>>>>> turn, >>>>> >> >>>>>> what >>>>> >> >>>>>> do you think of the above, do you have any ideas, >>>>> >> >>>>>> suggestions, >>>>> >> >>>>>> etc.? >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> manu >>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> -- >>>>> >> >>>> Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse brevity and typos. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > じゃあ ね >>>>> > ランツ・クリストフ >>>>> > (Lanz Christoph) >>>>> > >>>>> > http://einjahrmadrid.blogspot.com/ >>>>> > >>>>> > Ma chi me l'ha fatto fare? BEST >>>>> > http://www.BESTvienna.at >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> じゃあ ね >>>> ランツ・クリストフ >>>> (Lanz Christoph) >>>> >>>> http://einjahrmadrid.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> Ma chi me l'ha fatto fare? BEST >>>> http://www.BESTvienna.at >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> じゃあ ね >>> ランツ・クリストフ >>> (Lanz Christoph) >>> >>> http://einjahrmadrid.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> Ma chi me l'ha fatto fare? BEST >>> http://www.BESTvienna.at >> >> >