"Peter Badcock" <peter.badcock@xxxxxxxxx>
why I can't get the same tonal gradation/smoothness ... from 35mm [Vs. medium/large format]
You can, easily - if you limit yourself to 1 x 1 1/2" contact prints.
If possible, assume grain size is small enough to be irrelevant
Then there is no discussion - the name of the game is grain. Film is nothing but grain and something to hold the grain in place. The issue is 3-fold: 1) Grain size 2) Grain density 3) Grain size distribution 1 - Grain size has to be small so a) you don't see the grain; b) can fit a lot of grains into a small area. 2- Grain density has to be high. Grains are quasi-digital: you get a black splodge or you don't. The percentage of grains that get hit by light controls gradation. If you have one grain/mm^2 - the grain can be any size - then there are only two tones possible: 0) base; 1) Dmax. To get 4 tones you need to have 2 grains/mm^2, 8 tones require 3 grains/mm^2 ... And it gets a lot worse, density is logarithmic and number of grains is linear so highlights are well gradated but shadow detail/gradation is low. To get 256 evenly spaces tones in a unit area (a pixel) you need to have 2,700 grains (dots/pix <- (dots/inch^2 / pix/inch^2)). Microfilm is fine grain but thin emulsion (few grains/unit area). As a result, even though grain is non-existent, and resolution is high the gradation is lousy. (That grain size is uniform only makes the situation worse.) 3 - Grains have to be of different sizes: if all the grains are the same size then the film is high contrast. Once a grain has been activated by light any more light falling on the grain does not increase the film density. If all the grains are the same size then the probability of grain being activated is uniform and once a certain intensity of light is reached then suddenly all the grains are activated and there is no further response and image is high contrast. If grains are of differing sizes then the large grains have a higher probability of being activated than smaller grains. All the large grains may be activated but there are still plenty of small unactivated grains left to build density. TechPan was a thick ultra-fine grain emulsion with a wide range of grain size. The formulation for TechPan changed c. 1984/5 and the film lost its large-format look (ref. "Controls in B&W", Dr. R. J. Henry & personal experience). And, so, Tmax-100 film with Microdol-X has a look close to contemporary TechPan and is the highest image quality film/developer combinationavailable, where image quality is the combination of resolution and gradation.
The difference between TMX/M-X and even modern TP/Technidol is clearly visible
if you use a step tablet as a resolution target. Both films have about the same resolving power for a white/black target. For a gradated target TP shows distinct density patches with sharp demarcations while TMX can produce only a smear. == Nicholas O. Lindan Cleveland Engineering Design, LLC Cleveland, Ohio 44121 ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.